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How many people, at this point in the first four years of the Trump administration, are still on the fence?
Pretty much everyone who matters if you're trying to convince people of something.
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>But when people say "abolish the police" they do not come across as meaning "reduce the scope of policing". Some people, sure, but that's understandable given their extremely dire situation. Regardless, in my experience, most people do in fact flesh out reasonable ideas while using the phrase. Further, by far most "phrases" I've heard in person are of the "defund/reform" variety. But of course "abolishment" gets dis…
I agree that the ideas put forth are generally reasonable but a national political slogan shouldn't require "but wait I don't mean that in the literal sense" explanation. You can't have a catch phrase and then complain when it's taken literally. A phrase like that was a marketing disaster waiting to happen.
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Pretty much everyone who matters if you're trying to convince people of something.
I suspect we're well past the time of convincing and into the time of doing.
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I suspect we're well past the time of convincing and into the time of doing.
Is this post advocating for domestic terrorism? (i.e. committing acts of violence to instill fear in political opponents)
Domestic terrorism looks a lot more like rolling troops in camo into a city in unmarked vans to abduct citizens off the street to a location unknown to them.
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Why should an ambulance driver have to respond to a call in a dangerous neighborhood without a police escort? I wouldn’t. Fuck that, you don’t want police, good luck.
This comment I will call a straw-man argument.
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Pretty much everyone who matters if you're trying to convince people of something.
I suspect we're well past the time of convincing and into the time of doing.
Remember, most people are single issue voters. The rest of everything he does, doesnt matter.
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Is this post advocating for domestic terrorism? (i.e. committing acts of violence to instill fear in political opponents)
It is not, and I don't see where you're seeing that it is. People marching around chanting "defund the police" isn't domestic terrorism. Domestic terrorism looks a lot more like rolling troops in camo into a city in unmarked vans to abduct citizens off the street to a location unknown to them.
We can split hairs about 'defunding' vs 'abolishing', but I just get the distinct impression that many people have got no real idea about the threat that crime poses to the prosperity of a community (or city or state), and the effort that is required to keep it in check. The occasional misbehaviour of police officers is a small price to pay compared to the oppression and privation wrought by widespread crime.
>I just get the distinct impression that many people have got no real idea about the threat that crime poses to the prosperity of a community
I can't disagree more strongly.
>... and the effort that is required to keep it in check
This I agree with. But this is a weak argument against people who live with a constant background, and sometimes foreground, fear for their lives from their own government.
Was anyone surprised by this? Defund / Abolish the police sound like the stupidest ideas ever.
> Abolish the police What does this mean to you?
Abolish: verb - formally put an end to (a system, practice, or institution).
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Fair point - you're right that the suggested policies have not been implemented in a meaningful way. My point was that some relatively minor changes (de facto abandoning neighborhoods as in CHAZ, changes to bail laws in NY being two examples) have led to some pretty drastic (negative) changes to safety.
Where have bail laws caused any issue in NY? As a resident I haven't encountered any such issues. I wouldn't call "abandoning a neighborhood" a minor change either. It seems clear to me it's very much a calculated political move to do that so people can do exactly what you did - point and say "well we need police, look what happened without them". This should have no bearing on reform laws and abolition steps.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/nyregion/crime-stats-nyc-...