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Re: On Using Twitter

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post #64

>Cultivate a good set of accounts to follow Man I'm so done with that. Even cultivating a group of accounts on say a topic ... they're still people so I get their angry rants about whatever issue. And I respect their right to be a person and tweet about what they want, but that's a double edged sword as far as my interest goes. I really don't want to see a twitter spat, ever. Even if I AGREE with someone I'm followin…

This mirrors my experience. Adding one more point, a lot of non-outraged content is manufactured. It was nice at first but then it was plain boring and kind of manipulatistic in nature.

I think it's US-centric though (at least from how I used twitter). The same is true for India and few other countries where you can only find manufactured content.

Maybe it's related to population size. Social media and twitter segregate based on countries rather than states more. Given cities in India have more people than entire countries, the end result of more averages combined will be the same?

Another relevant comment I found:

Only something like 10% of users tweet regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if most twitter accounts are run by PR firms, bots and blue check marks. The other active ones are probably alts of power users who were self aware of their behavior and decided to be anonymous.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/22/21148516/twitter-suspends...

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/19/17990946/twitter-russian-trol...

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24072286

Easier to explain by manipulation from wealthy and state?

Re: On Using Twitter

#82

I have an honest question for Twitter users of HN: what's the net positive value of Twitter to your life? It feels like using Twitter or not has been an uninterrupted argument for years, even on HN, as if on one end your rational brain knows Twitter is detrimental to your mental health, but on the other end: it's a great dopamine, and outrage dispenser.

I have found twitter to be incredibly useful and truly amazing for finding immediate first-hand information during sudden events (ie: Protests after George Floyd's death, Beirut, Boston Marathon Bombing, things like that.)

For this case to happen, a few things must align:

1) Important and accessible to enough people on that platform such that effective hashtags "coalesce" and the event becomes searchable

2) Recent (or ongoing/changing) enough that new information available in first-hand accounts has not yet made it to news reports.

3) Not flooded or taken over by bots and malicious accounts.

I wish there was a platform (or ideally an open standard linking multiple platforms effectively) where I could have the interaction I just described but on a much smaller scale. An up-to-the-minute first-hand witness of "whats going on". Essentially, the "raw" news. Technologically, Twitter should work just fine for this. But there are significant problems currently with reliability, trust, and misuse that I believe lead to the general problems people have with twitter which then prevent it's use for the type of "first hand accounting" I've described here.

Re: On Using Twitter

#83
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best way to use twitter. You get a clear stream of useful, relevant content. Unfortunately this also gets framed as a "filter bubble". I want a filter bubble. The problem in practice is that twitter actively fights you doing this. It tries to pour raw sewage into your nice clean stream and you can't stop it. You see what other people have liked, or what's popular or lots of other things I don't want to se…

> ... Unfortunately this also gets framed as a "filter bubble". > I want a filter bubble. I think describing a "topic-focused, outrage-free" curation strategy as 'filter bubble' is somewhat asinine. "Filter bubble" is a dirty term because it suggests at best an isolated, distorted view of how things actually are, at worst active exclusion of valid dissent. The point is that important details aren't being noticed in t…

> "topic-focused, outrage-free" curation strategy

In the old days this work was done by an editor and published in a periodical fashion. My recurring quip about social media is that it’s helping us collectively realize the value of good editors.

Re: On Using Twitter

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best way to use twitter. You get a clear stream of useful, relevant content. Unfortunately this also gets framed as a "filter bubble". I want a filter bubble. The problem in practice is that twitter actively fights you doing this. It tries to pour raw sewage into your nice clean stream and you can't stop it. You see what other people have liked, or what's popular or lots of other things I don't want to se…

> ... Unfortunately this also gets framed as a "filter bubble". > I want a filter bubble. I think describing a "topic-focused, outrage-free" curation strategy as 'filter bubble' is somewhat asinine. "Filter bubble" is a dirty term because it suggests at best an isolated, distorted view of how things actually are, at worst active exclusion of valid dissent. The point is that important details aren't being noticed in t…

Relevant from my old comment here:

I have thought about this before. I believe internet lacks enough echo chambers. In real world, people automatically segregate based on their income bracket, community, values, lifestyle, job, family (kids or not?), healthcare, accessibility to various things, etc. People have all sorts of stereotypes and things they expect other people to conform to based on visible factors. This isn't possible online. There is too little information and our stereotypes will never be correct (too big number). It shocks people. In real life, oh that's a catholic person. Of course I would expect them to say this. Too much difference in opinions leads to defensiveness rather than acceptance. You cannot accept 180 degrees but you can accept 10 degrees slightly left.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23937973

Re: On Using Twitter

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My guide to using twitter: 1. Follow people with high signal to noise ratio. These are people whose full time job is creation, and no marketing. Eg. Scientists and engineers and certain types of artists. Politicians not so much. 2. Use the mute feature liberally. Go into settings and mute the name of every major politician in your country, or politicians that are popular world over. On every part of the political lan…

Echo chambers develop when you are only reading things you already know, not things you agree with. It's about learning new things vs. keeping your worldview narrow. Like if you have an opinion on climate change, reading arguments from deniers doesn't expand your worldview. Reading about how climate change affects different social classes can expand your worldview -- and all be from people you already agree with.

Re: On Using Twitter

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post #64

>Cultivate a good set of accounts to follow Man I'm so done with that. Even cultivating a group of accounts on say a topic ... they're still people so I get their angry rants about whatever issue. And I respect their right to be a person and tweet about what they want, but that's a double edged sword as far as my interest goes. I really don't want to see a twitter spat, ever. Even if I AGREE with someone I'm followin…

i haven't used twitter in a while (and even then was barely a user because it was so overwhelming), but i suspect a lot of the twitter and social media backlash is an impedance mismatch between our signal-seeking antennas and the tidal wave of signal (and noise) that's 300M people chatting at once.

a single human isn't evolutionarily equipped to tease out useful information from that much constant and ever-present signal. we're designed to tell if an eye crinkle means the coincident stream of words are more likely true or false.

we're also constantly making attribution errors via twitter in the same vein, attributing to individuals things that only apply to systems and groups (akin to the idea that there is no average person), generalizing in ways that are bound to be flawed but unable to help our collective selves.

i say all this to disagree with the idea that avoiding (angry) opinion is necessarily the "right way to use twitter". it's maybe a way for an individual to avoid drowning in the deluge of signal, but it does nothing to find the truths that must be washing over us at the same time.

Re: On Using Twitter

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post #9

One thing this article doesn't mention is that it is worth remembering Twitter has no meaning or importance on the real world. The only people who care about what happens on twitter are other people on twitter. Regular people simply don't care (nor are aware) about twitter. Think of it like any other social network feed and try not to take it seriously.

The journalist and political classes read it religiously. They spend significant portion of their lives interacting with each other through it. It warps their perspectives and priorities, which has national impact.

Re: On Using Twitter

#89
I have a private account, I follow people by private lists only, and never participate. People on twitter are best source of information(hint; do not follow more than two journalists), but Twitter as a discussion platform failed miserably.

Re: On Using Twitter

#90
post #40

> First, social address: I’m a white, cis, female, straight, abled Stopped reading there

Why?

Two ideas here:

1) that this information is the most or some of the most salient information about you a reader could now. Author may also be a professor of a certain field, may be confrontation averse, or a stubborn, vocal politico, or someone who studies conflict negotiation for fun or whatever. Why do none of these things matter when introducing yourself or the article you are writing?

2) this strips the individuality away from the author in a piece where that isn't necessary

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