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IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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chrisseaton wrote: post #78
allencoin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Carolinas seem as far as you can get from Silicon Valley, culturally Why do you think that?

The Carolinas are very Republican. California is very Democrat. That's just one measure. They're also geographically literally the other side of the country.

I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Post by chrisseaton »

allencoin wrote: post #81
chrisseaton wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Carolinas are very Republican. California is very Democrat. That's just one measure. They're also geographically literally the other side of the country.

I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.

> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.

I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Post by renewiltord »

AcerbicZero wrote: post #41

VMware has been one of the few companies to be bought by an old dinosaur of tech (Dell) and so far, managed to survive. It helps that they're much closer to equal with Dell than RedHat and IBM, but I'm pretty sure RedHat knew exactly what they were doing when they decided to let IBM in the door.

VMWare was bought by someone considered even more dinosaur, EMC. EMC Dell was dinosaur union.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Post by allencoin »

chrisseaton wrote: post #82
allencoin wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.

> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.

Ah, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.

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Post by chrisseaton »

allencoin wrote: post #85
chrisseaton wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.

Ah, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.

That's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless.

I could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions?

The people that Apple employs are extraordinarily well treated and compensated, and that's a credit to Apple and their labor relations.

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Post by allencoin »

chrisseaton wrote: post #87
allencoin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.

That's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless. I could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? The people that Apple employs are extraordinarily we…

> you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions?

Yes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year?

Follow up question: Which American political party do you think would be more likely to condone the above practice, Democrats or Republicans?

Basically I'm trying to figure out why you think there's a big cultural difference between Silicon Valley (50 square miles) and "The Carolinas" (85,839 square miles) and why that's meaningful to the wider discussion. Your original comment perplexed me as someone who is familiar with both regions. I agree that they are dissimilar but I definitely don't think they are "as far as you can get ... culturally." Happy to get back to that original subject if you are.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Post by notacoward »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #33
chrisseaton wrote: post #24

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But what does that even mean? Oracle is a traditional Silicon Valley company. But presumably that's not what they mean either?

Enough with the digressions! An open-source-foundational company with roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM? Is there anybody who doesn't see the difference? And no, IBM did not invent the microcomputer revolution - far, far from it. They put out an expensive iron boat anchor using other people's chips and designs that saddled the industry with obsolete choices for a decade. Just like you'd expect from a gian…

> roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM

You mean the IBM that invented the PC? The distinction you're trying to make here is far from clear.

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