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A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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Engineering, accounting, and other +regulated+ fields use social engineering to solve the problem of how to be paid handsomely. What they have done is convince society that there should only be a limited number of engineers and accountants, those that are highly trained and have passed rigorous examinations. The imbalance of supply and demand takes care of the rest. In those two fields, you can see that when supply i…

I totally agree with your reasoning although I'd say it only applies to regulated professions (accounting, construction engineering, etc.). Computer/software engineering isn't regulated.

As a point of clarification, raganwald is from Canada where software engineering is regulated (though you don't need to be a software engineer to develop software professionally).

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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From the article: > There is no way in hell any company would launch an engineering or accounting competition. Ahem: http://www.netflixprize.com/

Everyone seems to be pointing in the article to the Netflix prize, but hey, don't take my phrase word for word. That's actually an exception that confirms the rule... What I meant is that spec work in design is being tolerated by both companies and designers more than any other field...

Netflix isn't an exception anymore. Look at http://www.kaggle.com/, the Android App contest, Windows Mobile 7 app contest, etc.

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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This was kind of my thinking regarding sites like eLance and 99designs. When I first saw them I thought they were a great way to connect with designers that have more modest salary expectations. Though there are a handful of problems with these services, you just have to decide if the problems are worth the savings. But I've been really disappointed by the huge backlash against these types of sites from the designers…

As a designer, when an org comes to me and says "we have $[laughably small amount] to spend on this website", I point them to WooThemes and tell them to pick one out. I'm happy to sit down with them for a few hours and do some basic work, but put the burden on them. It works great for me, because I get to do a little design education, still get paid, and focus my time on more lucrative projects. It also can pay divid…

Why don't you make your own little stable of design templates and sell them to these pain-in-the-ass clients on a non-exclusive basis?

Later on you can charge more if they want it personalised.

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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You are trapped in the same Hell as other creative types, such as musicians: there are countless young aspirants who are willing to do this work for free just for a shot at "making it", but precious few people who sign checks who are able to discriminate the quality of the work. Engineering and accounting, your two comparison fields, don't suffer this problem.

> Engineering and accounting... don't suffer this problem.

Ha! You're not looking hard enough. Check out the healthcare industry to find "Developer Challenges" where companies attempt to recruit programmers to compete for tiny prizes that won't even replace their lost billable time.

1. http://health2challenge.org/

2. http://smartplatforms.org/

The second example is the funniest, given that the $5000 challenge is intended to promote a platform developed with a $60 Million grant! Bill Gates was even on hand to help kick off the challenge.

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone seems to be pointing in the article to the Netflix prize, but hey, don't take my phrase word for word. That's actually an exception that confirms the rule... What I meant is that spec work in design is being tolerated by both companies and designers more than any other field...

> don't take my phrase word for word Say what you mean.

My message is clear. You are free to disagree, just don't feel the need to bring down my piece sentence by sentence...

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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post #46

From the article: > There is no way in hell any company would launch an engineering or accounting competition. Ahem: http://www.netflixprize.com/

Everyone seems to be pointing in the article to the Netflix prize, but hey, don't take my phrase word for word. That's actually an exception that confirms the rule... What I meant is that spec work in design is being tolerated by both companies and designers more than any other field...

Exceptions don't prove rules, they disprove them.

Re: A Call to All UI Designers: Do Not Play Skype’s Game

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And I hope this actually reinforces the point I made. If it looks to me like this did not take place, it is because I obviously don't understand the forces and constraints upon the solution. Perhaps I don't fully understand the problem they are trying to solve. If they did an excellent job, then they knew something that is not obvious from looking at the design competition, which is why I suggest that being involved…

Well let me give you a pointer on what and for who they are solving problems. I think the numbers are something along the lines of this: 90% of users on Skype don't have much more than 5 contacts in their contact list. 95% of all messages are. "Can I call you?"

I actually don't see the point in the whole conceptual redesign of the application if that's the case.

Scenario you're implying was just perfectly implemented in Skype as it was, on a Mac at least.

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