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The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#81

Lies are not free, they are paid by ads and a complete industry is built on keeping this going. The price of the ads are built into the price of the product/service you buy, so we are basically paying for the lies too, it’s just not as obvious as paying to get through the paywall.

They are free for consumers

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

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post #50

In Germany, part of the problem is that old media lobbying has successfully prevented a reasonable (text based) internet presence of public broadcasting... Some Google-translated coverage: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Public broadcasting in Germany is no better than private media. In fact most topics are reported the same and even the opinion is the same. But even ignoring this, it is a big problem that publicly funded media is in direct economic competition with privately funded media. This is exacerbated by the official entertainment mission (Unterhaltungsauftrag[1]) and the usage of advertisement.

[1]: https://www.die-medienanstalten.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Rec... in §11

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#83
post #22

I just want Netflix for journalism. I don't want a super expensive sub to a dozen papers. I want one subscription, they all should be included (maybe offer different tiers if you are an arse) and it shouldn't be more than $20/month. Go.

The absolute worst posts on HN start with "I just want..." and then selfishly lowball the cost of whatever it is they want.

Anyway, you've described a cable bundle model, not Netflix's model.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#84
post #62
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is CNN really putting up anything except news - of which reuters/AP/UPI already give a pretty good overview for free? And while all the left/neoliberal (and clickbaity) things you noted are free, they are less concerned with news, but more opinion – to my knowledge they don't try to make the impression of a news outlet as much as the listed ones (which carry typical news-speak even in their name!)

All those sites look like news sites to me, except the Atlantic, which is indeed limited to opinion/commentary. Salon's About page: "Salon covers breaking news, politics, entertainment, culture, and technology through investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays." A few titles from their site: -As pandemic spreads, feds go MIA -Did Steve Daines get pharma kickback? -The second pande…

nothing in "investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays" is, what I consider news. q.e.d.

vox.com: "Vox explains the news.". No shroud of being objective here either. q.e.d.

slate.com: "we are a general-interest publication offering analysis and commentary about politics, news, business, technology, and culture" general interest is vague, but no non-commented news here either, q.e.d.

the root has a category "news", but if you visit their main page you see, it's just a sort of "community news-ticker" (like any political page has) and I don't see them making claims to universality.

Compare that to Breitbart mingling everything there is into their political agend and explicitly stating: "truthful reporting", ... , "Breitbart News is one of America’s leading news organizations."

leaves the huffpost which is laughable by design.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#87
post #22

I just want Netflix for journalism. I don't want a super expensive sub to a dozen papers. I want one subscription, they all should be included (maybe offer different tiers if you are an arse) and it shouldn't be more than $20/month. Go.

This is Apple News+ I think?

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#88
“History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books—books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon? '”

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#89

Lies are not free, they are paid by ads and a complete industry is built on keeping this going. The price of the ads are built into the price of the product/service you buy, so we are basically paying for the lies too, it’s just not as obvious as paying to get through the paywall.

They are free for consumers

They're free for the consumers of lies. They're paid for by the consumers of whatever product is buying the adverts.

Re: The Truth Is Paywalled but the Lies Are Free

#90

> Now, I am sure there will be those who argue that any universal knowledge access system of this kind will inhibit the creation of new work by reducing the rewards people get. But let us note a few facts: first, dead people cannot be incentivized to be creative, thus at least everything ever created by a person who is now dead should be made freely available to all. The gatekeepers to intellectual products made by t…

But we are positively drowning in music, video and written words. We don't need more incentives for people to create copyrighted work. We need more effective markets for consumers to judge it.
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