Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen Hits Out at Gates • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen Hits Out at Gates

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Post by stretchwithme » Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 10:32 AM UTC

burgerbrain wrote: post #52

stretchwithme wrote: post #39

"I'm not sure Bill would ever have dropped out of Harvard if it wasn't for Paul," Mr. Yoffie said, referring to Mr. Allen's role in encouraging Mr. Gates to leave college to start Microsoft. "I don't know whether Steve Jobs, without Wozniak, would have ever gotten things together." baloney.

Without Woz, Jobs would have never even had a product to begin with. Forget having a company, there would have been no reason to form a company.

Many companies built personal computers. Only one built the Mac. Jobs would have found someone else. Being able to make things is not as common a skill as knowing how to make things great.

Re: Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen Hits Out at Gates

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Post by elvirs » Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 1:21 PM UTC

okay, may be Paul could have made a couple of billions more. but lets keep in mind that all that fortune was made for him after Paul left the company. Now he writes the this book trashing his old friend and partner who actually made him rich? To me it looks like this is more of an ego issue for Paul rather than letting the world know truth about Bill.

Re: Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen Hits Out at Gates

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Post by sushilchoudhari » Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 6:18 PM UTC

Xixi wrote: post #72

sushilchoudhari wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very interesting article. I am myself working on a project and considering good friends to be co-founders in that. But based on what Paul Allen is mentioning here and based on few other stories of startups which made it big like Facebook, few thoughts came to my mind: 1) Is it that to make it really big, to the likes of Microsoft, Facebook a founder has to play games and trick his own friends in a way that…

What about Larry Page and Sergueï Brin? It seems from the outside that they their relationship didn't go sour.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out. But if that is the only example, is that more of a exception or the rule?

Re: Microsoft Co-Founder Paul Allen Hits Out at Gates

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Post by rtaycher » Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 12:38 PM UTC

stretchwithme wrote: post #81

burgerbrain wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without Woz, Jobs would have never even had a product to begin with. Forget having a company, there would have been no reason to form a company.

Many companies built personal computers. Only one built the Mac. Jobs would have found someone else. Being able to make things is not as common a skill as knowing how to make things great.

My impression was that Woz developed apple 1(which gave apple some funds) by himself(with jobs only encouraging/pushing) and developed a very large of the apple II(which made apple a multi million dollar company) and then not much else. which was one of the first personal computers and was transformational(helping introduce personal computers into the world including a wide variety of clones. Jobs was the team head who designed the first mac(which was transformational in its own way-one of the first gui ) personal computers). At least according to foklore.org a decent number of the brilliant people working for apple on the mac and other projects were there in a significant part because they fell in love with woz's work.