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Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by formerly_proven »

nostrebored wrote: post #77
kubanczyk wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling all the measures of central tendency "averages" is colloquial, not formal. Check your sources if you're going to nitpick my nitpicking. Saying "literally" in place of "figuratively" and then referencing the Oxford dictionary (meaning C, look no further) is a cool way to troll, and to make a fool of oneself.

I don't understand why you're mad that someone cited the Oxford definition to you. It's not trolling. You're wrong, and you can see this by looking at any number of published news articles where more often than not, average is used to mean median. You can see this from the way that we use average to mean typical. 'Typical' features are more likely to be median or mode than arithmetic mean. 'Average' is itself a collo…

TIL "average" in English can also mean things that aren't "the average" (mean)¹, but I also feel like "news articles" aren't a good way to source the "correct" usage of statistics terms.

¹ This makes "average" a particularly weird "false friend" vocable, because the average recipient might well take it to mean what you think it means, but might also understand it as a very closely related, but subtly different thing.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by kubanczyk »

nostrebored wrote: post #73
formerly_proven wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If fact, 50% of people perform below average! 50% of the population also have below average IQ. That's not necessarily true and for IQ I think it's only true because IQ measures are normalized to an average of 100 and a normal distribution with a set standard deviation. For example if out of ten people nine perform at 100 %, and one performs at 95 %, then the average performance would be 99.5 % and 90 % of people w…

"Different concepts of average are used in different contexts. Often "average" refers to the arithmetic mean, the sum of the numbers divided by how many numbers are being averaged. In statistics, mean, median, and mode are all known as measures of central tendency, and in colloquial usage any of these might be called an average value." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

Don't call me mad again, but realize that the citation you've provided literally says: the parent is "often" right and you "might be" also right. Sigh.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by interactivecode »

philosopherdog wrote: post #18

Imposter syndrome is where you actually have the skills and/or knowledge but don’t believe you do (irrationally). Most people are simply incompetent. That is not imposter syndrome. Having a rational sense of your actual abilities is tough because beliefs affect confidence. So most people seem to be encouraged to over inflate their abilities. The syndrome is not imposter but over inflation.

Here is the thing, it's not very accepted or welcomed to have a lack of skills and knowledge in any paid work. So if you don't have some or all skills for the job you are in, how do you reconcile that?

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by abellerose »

the_af wrote: post #67
x87678r wrote: post #57

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> What I discovered was that most of these brilliant people would not share a lot of their knowledge I'm someone who has spent a lot of time training up juniors. TBH I dont have a lot of show for it. I really wish I spent my time trying to learn things myself, many of the people I've trained have much better careers than I do. I'm guessing your group of successful smart people are that way because they don't waste ti…

I hear what you're saying. Though the feeling of helping someone else is wonderful (regardless of whether you later end up with "something to show for it", job wise). Don't you think that trying to teach someone something ends up helping you solidify your understanding, maybe even making you question what you took for granted?

You're delusional if you believe that.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by [deleted] »

TopHand wrote: post #23

For most of my career I worked with a small group (20 to 30) group of highly educated and mostly brilliant people. I barely graduated high school. As the years passed and we all began to age, I realized that the amount of knowledge we all had obtained during our tenure was an irreplaceable resource for the company. In order to help the younger incoming people bypass this learning curve I set up a wiki where group mem…

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Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by nostrebored »

kubanczyk wrote: post #82
nostrebored wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Different concepts of average are used in different contexts. Often "average" refers to the arithmetic mean, the sum of the numbers divided by how many numbers are being averaged. In statistics, mean, median, and mode are all known as measures of central tendency, and in colloquial usage any of these might be called an average value." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

Don't call me mad again, but realize that the citation you've provided literally says: the parent is "often" right and you "might be" also right. Sigh.

That's not how categories work.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by the_af »

abellerose wrote: post #84
the_af wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear what you're saying. Though the feeling of helping someone else is wonderful (regardless of whether you later end up with "something to show for it", job wise). Don't you think that trying to teach someone something ends up helping you solidify your understanding, maybe even making you question what you took for granted?

You're delusional if you believe that.

If I believe what? That explaining something helps me with my own understanding? Plenty of teachers and professors report the same feeling, so I'm not alone in this.

If what you meant is that helping people understand something doesn't feel wonderful to you, then of course you're entitled to that opinion. One really can't argue with subjective feelings.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by aarpmcgee »

abellerose wrote: post #84
the_af wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear what you're saying. Though the feeling of helping someone else is wonderful (regardless of whether you later end up with "something to show for it", job wise). Don't you think that trying to teach someone something ends up helping you solidify your understanding, maybe even making you question what you took for granted?

You're delusional if you believe that.

Empathic, not delusional. This person has a different set of values and I resonate with what they expressed.

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by cosmodisk »

TopHand wrote: post #23

For most of my career I worked with a small group (20 to 30) group of highly educated and mostly brilliant people. I barely graduated high school. As the years passed and we all began to age, I realized that the amount of knowledge we all had obtained during our tenure was an irreplaceable resource for the company. In order to help the younger incoming people bypass this learning curve I set up a wiki where group mem…

Tried my best left and right telling people I can help them to learn x,which would most likely double their income in a couple of years. Nobody was interested.

I try my best to ask as many questions as I can even if I sound completely stupid. Had enough of these meetings where 8 people sit quietly for an hour and then silently admit they had no clue what was everyone talking about..

Re: Healthy Self-Doubt

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Post by klenwell »

TopHand wrote: post #33
tomrod wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imposter syndrome or job security? I've seen both.

I learned a long time ago that if you share your knowledge freely with your co-workers that only increases your job security. I postulate this plays off imposter syndrome. Your co-workers think to themselves, if this person is willing to share that knowledge, what are they holding back?

I agree and have wholeheartedly embraced this idea as a manager.

At the same time, I once had a manager who dinged me in an annual evaluation for asking too many questions and not knowing as much as I should about our applications as a senior developer.

When I pointed out that I had written most of the documentation for those applications in our wiki, he replied, "That's not knowledge. Knowledge is what is in your head."

The obvious lesson: avoid organizations like that.

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