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SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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We changed the URL from https://rancher.com/press/suse-to-acquire-rancher/ to what appears to be the most substantial third-party article.

It's true that the guidelines call for original sources (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) but we sometimes make an exception for corporate press releases, which tend to use obscure language, omit relevant information, and so on.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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They're still quite popular in Europe and especially in Germany whereas Redhat has utterly dominated North America.

Afaik one big reason for this is that SAP supports only Suse with on-prem installations.

Support is also available for RHEL and (to some extend, e.g not for HANA) even for Oracle Linux.

https://wiki.scn.sap.com/wiki/display/ATopics/Supported+Plat...

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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We're in the same camp with a cluster ~2x as large for Squawk[1] and it would cost us many multiples in the cloud (excluding our TURN relays which aren't k8s). However, the one killer feature that the cloud still has over self hosted is the state layer. There is nothing that comes close to the turn key, highly available, point in time recoverable database offerings from the cloud providers. We're running Spilo/Patron…

Why did you keep your TURN relays out of k8s?

Because we needed geographic distribution so that we don't end up hairpinning our users, and they only run a single service so the value prop is much lower. We use route 53 to do geodns across a number of cheap instances around the world (which is also nice, let's you pick regions with cheap bandwidth but good latency to major metro areas). We currently have TURN relays in Las Vegas, New York, and Amsterdam and that gives us pretty good coverage (sorry Asia...you're just so damn expensive!).

But all of our APIs sit in one k8s cluster across two datacenters (Hetzner, with whom we couldn't be happier).

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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This is a good acquisition. I was thinking that AWS would acquire Rancher to make inroads into multi-cloud and hybrid kubernetes.

I'm doubtful.

AWS has a case of not-invented-here syndrome that is so severe that it doesn't technically qualify as NIHS. For one thing, NIHS requires you to accept that there is such a place as "not here".

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Well congrats to the team for the exit. But I am really hoping that this will continue the great momentum that Rancher has. I've come to quite enjoy Rancher products. I think the work they are doing is fantastic and lowering the bar for entry into Kubernetes, especially for on-prem/bare metal. Just deployed 4 production RKE clusters on bare metal and also using K3S.

One more good experience. I created an cluster of dedicated servers ( 64 cores, 6TB of SSD storage and 256 GB of RAM, 1 GPU) using Rancher, for about 250 Euros/Month. This would cost at least 2k in a cloud such as AWS. There is a post about how I did with persistent storage here ( https://medium.com/@bratao/state-of-persistent-storage-in-k8... ) It really transformed my company DevOps. I´m VERY happy. If you can, use…

Longhorn synchronously replicates the volume across multiple replicas stored on multiple nodes https://github.com/longhorn/longhorn

At first look the numbers in the colourful table near the end, Piraeus/Linstor/DRBD seems 10x faster than Longhorn 0.8. The article goes into great depth of the (a)synchronous replication options of Piraeus, but doesn't mention that Longhorn always does synchronous replication. I wonder why?

SUSE being full into btrfs and CEPH, I wonder if they will allow Yasker https://github.com/longhorn/longhorn/graphs/contributors to continue developing. At Kubecon EU & US 2019 https://youtu.be/hvVnfZf9V6o?t=1659 Sheng Yang explains how he tried to make Longhorn first class citizen Kubernetes Storage.

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You can buy an "inferior competitor" and integrate their feature set into your own products, and end up with a much better integrated solution for your customers, which will strengthen your business. But switch "inferior" to "superior" and your question makes sense. Red Hat's products mostly suck balls. I can't think of a single one which has been an enjoyable experience to use. People paid for them because they were…

Or people just trust Red Hat for being always "heart, mind and soul" of the community of contributors that makes open source great. And keep doing the same thing, that inspired many others such as SUSE, Rancher, etc.. and IBM :)

Red Hat is great - they have done some great things, however -

Heart, Mind and Soul of the Open Source community is possibly a bit of hyperbole.

and - SUSE is (slightly) older than RedHat, so I am not sure you can say RedHat inspired them :)

IBM was inspired by RedHat's earnings (pre acquisition, open source in IBM was .... interesting ... ) and their ability to have a relevant product in the cloud space.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Another great product acquired by a mediocre behemoth. Here's hoping they can maintain enough independence to continue innovating.

One thing I would say about SUSE - they are never mediocre. (nor what I would usually consider a behemoth)

The engineering team inside SUSE are exceptional - they do amazing things, and build really interesting features. The product planning / joined up thinking / visionary direction is where they fall down. As a sibling pointed out they have worked on some really interesting stuff, but (when I was there in any case) failed to pull it together into something that could have been outstanding.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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It takes away privileges which arguably is a good thing but some things that require root containers wont't run. They pass the Kubernetes conformance suite only by removing those constraints.

And you can do the same for your environment. You can run root containers on OpenShift, it's a settings, not a baked-in compiled choice or something similar.

That is true. It's a tradeoff when you consider to turn off SELinux, too, however.

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> If you want to use standard tools it’d be nice to have a managed standard Kubernetes option What standard tool doesn't work on OpenShift? It's certified to have 100% compatibility with Kubernetes, it just adds stuff, doesn't it?

It takes away privileges which arguably is a good thing but some things that require root containers wont't run. They pass the Kubernetes conformance suite only by removing those constraints.

That's not true at all. You can read their CNCF results yourself, nothing is disabled. And the conformance tooling works around these constraints by defining their own PSPs.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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I really liked the idea or RancherOS, but somehow it never quite lived up to its promise. In particular, the need to distinguish between root and non-root containers was surprisingly confusing in practice. It effectively broke the promise of “just worry about docker”. Has anyone here adopted it over the long term? What made it stick? Any ideas why SUSE would need/want this?

RedHat has Openshift, now SUSE has Rancher.
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