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Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by tmh88j »

rasz wrote: post #80
tmh88j wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you driven any modern BMW's? If size is your issue the M2 Competition is far superior to the E46 M3, and the F80 M3 is far superior to the E39 M5 and E60 M5.

For the first two years of ownership. https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?7348-BMW-ignores-the...

If you want to cherry pick isolated issues in an attempt to downplay how much better performing modern BMW's are overall I can make a huge list of performance cars that have notable issues

* E36 M3 upper shock tower cracking

* E46 M3 subframe cracking

* C6 Z06 valve guides

* 996 and 997 Porsche IMS bearings

* GT-R transmission failures (had to have mine replaced)

* W204 C63 AMG head bolts

Happy to provide more examples.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by ex_amazon_sde »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #52
ex_amazon_sde wrote: post #34

How does this interacts with FLOSS software used on the phone? This is an example of "tivoization" and should be prevented by GPLv3

Do any phones use GPLv3 code? Closest that I know of is Linux under v2, but Android generally is permissively licensed.

There's a good amount of software under GPLv3 on f-droid.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by jacquesm »

rasz wrote: post #79
jacquesm wrote: post #59

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I'm sure there are good reasons but there has to be a more concise way of making that point than linking to 41 minutes of rambling video. I watched the first 5 and I'm none the wise yet. Regardless of journalistic coverage it is still Apple suing for trademark infringement on parts that should not have been trademarked in the first place. So they are simply using trademark law as a weapon knowing full well that this…

The case was not about trademarked parts. It was about someone in China printing Apple trademarks on substitutes. At first everyone, including Louis, assumed original Apple logos printed by Apple on Apple LCD module. Turned out Chinese refurbished decided to counterfeit the refurb to make it look like original part, by printing Apple trademarks on substitute parts.

So, the Chinese broke the law, not the refurbisher. And yet, it is the refurbisher that got sued here. I've seen similar things happen with Bosch vs Porsche, where Porsche parts retail for a fairly large multiple of the Bosch parts, the only difference being the Porsche logo. Functionally equivalent, made in the same factory, to all intents and purposes the same part.

Manufacturers that want to distinguish themselves by labeling commodity parts with their trademarks are not doing this with the intention of protecting their customers, they are protecting their bottom line.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by RealityVoid »

izacus wrote: post #28
jacquesm wrote: post #22

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That Norwegian decision is a travesty as presented here, how can a repair infringe on a trademark and how on Earth did that not lead to an appeal. Using aftermarket parts is a well established practice in automotive, I see absolutely no reason why that would not extend to phones. Are they going to demand cars are only repaired with OEM parts as well?

The practice in automotive is there due to historical legacy - it would never be allowed in modern world. If anything, the carmakers have started to prevent you from doing your own repairs by demanding their own proprietary software to pair car controller modules. That software is licensed only to dealers and trying to use it outside those licensed conditions is a DMCA violation. With BMW pioneering car microtransact…

I wonder if there's something that I, as a automotive embedded SW eng. can do to prevent this. There must be some kind of market that can be tapped or some kind of movement I can support regarding this.

I make my money out of this and I'm torn between quitting this field I spent quite a bit of time in or just sticking in for the money, but what is currently happening in automotive... it's insanity to me. I just get mad thinking about it.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by jacquesm »

tmh88j wrote: post #81
rasz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the first two years of ownership. https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?7348-BMW-ignores-the...

If you want to cherry pick isolated issues in an attempt to downplay how much better performing modern BMW's are overall I can make a huge list of performance cars that have notable issues * E36 M3 upper shock tower cracking * E46 M3 subframe cracking * C6 Z06 valve guides * 996 and 997 Porsche IMS bearings * GT-R transmission failures (had to have mine replaced) * W204 C63 AMG head bolts Happy to provide more exampl…

Breaking aluminum bolts is another one that is surprisingly common in some brands. They also tend to live just long enough for the warranty to expire.

https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-macan/1085919-cautionary...

IMS bearings are an issue until 2009, engines produced after that point starting with the 9A1 no longer have an IMS.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by switch007 »

tmh88j wrote: post #81
rasz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the first two years of ownership. https://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?7348-BMW-ignores-the...

If you want to cherry pick isolated issues in an attempt to downplay how much better performing modern BMW's are overall I can make a huge list of performance cars that have notable issues * E36 M3 upper shock tower cracking * E46 M3 subframe cracking * C6 Z06 valve guides * 996 and 997 Porsche IMS bearings * GT-R transmission failures (had to have mine replaced) * W204 C63 AMG head bolts Happy to provide more exampl…

E46 subframe issue affected more than just the M3... ;(

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by closeparen »

jacquesm wrote: post #75
jjcon wrote: post #60

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> how can a repair infringe on a trademark I generally agree but I can also see apples pov. I’ve purchased quite a few used iPhones online (amazon, eBay stores etc) that are advertised as new or open box. So so frequently they come with terrible third party screens or super cheap replacement parts. If I didn’t have a point of reference I would think iPhones just have terrible screens/crappy switches/speakers etc. App…

You buy used phones, you can more or less expect them to be repaired. If you want the guarantee of a 'fresh' phone then you should pay the mark-up. Even the seller might not be aware that the phone has been repaired.

You should expect them to be repaired with genuine parts, though.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by ifmpx »

drummer wrote: post #72
matheusmoreira wrote: post #69

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What good is Linux and free software if the hardware won't let us run the programs we want? Computers could ship with a preconfigured Linux distribution that does all sorts of abusive things and since we wouldn't have the cryptographic keys to the machine it's impossible to do anything about it. In the future, all computers could very well be just like video game consoles: devices which refuse to run software not cry…

Regarding the hardware, that is why we should support and use open and free hardware solutions, such as the Librem phone etc.

We need to go much lower. Down to more manufacturers of POWER9 or RISC-V based systems.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by jacquesm »

closeparen wrote: post #87
jacquesm wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You buy used phones, you can more or less expect them to be repaired. If you want the guarantee of a 'fresh' phone then you should pay the mark-up. Even the seller might not be aware that the phone has been repaired.

You should expect them to be repaired with genuine parts, though.

Why? If a repair costs $x with genuine parts and 1/3 of $x with aftermarket parts and the phone works then I really don't see any good reason. Cars have aftermarket pars fit to them all the time, brakes, tires, shocks, filters, engine components (turbos!) and so on. They're arguably a lot more critical than the screen of a phone which is just another wear part.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Post by raxxorrax »

izacus wrote: post #67
throwlogon wrote: post #66

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For many reasons. Anecdotally every BMW owner I know is constantly taking their car in for repairs.

They were also the only ones charging yearly fee to add CarPlay client to their infotainment.

They are also in favor of cleaning up the net in favor of advertisers.
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