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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by alistairSH »

searchableguy wrote: post #34
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I have an easy answer to that: Youtube has more users than there are people in US. If you had a service that was used by whole of US, shouldn't that be public? Imagine there was a single food stall in the entire US. Should you allow food stall which is really controlled by a few share holders and executives at the top to decide whom to feed or not? Again, the problem is not huge platforms banning toxic people. It's t…

Somebody would open a competing grocery.

Likewise, racist and bigots can build their own internet platform.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by RangerScience »

gotoeleven wrote: post #43
stillbourne wrote: post #7

You are free to speak and exercise your freedom of speech no one really disputes that. You are not, however, anywhere guaranteed or granted the liberty to a platform for your dialog. That is the problem that we are encountering today, people are thinking that there are attacks to freedom of speech and confusing that with the freedom of an establishment to defend their property from damages. I think we can all agree t…

I dont think people would have flocked to these platforms if they'd known that they'd be banned for politically incorrect speech down the road.

"Civil rights isn't politics", so, speech against civil rights isn't politically incorrect.

(there's also definitely PC/P!C speech, but AFAIK that's not what's getting banned).

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by whymauri »

gotoeleven wrote: post #57
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? The problem isn't the color, the problem is the nationalism.

Hasn't black nationalism been essentially dead since the Black Panther party collapsed? You talk about as if it were as immediately dangerous as white nationalism, but I'm not sure it is.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by bjoli »

pingpongchef wrote: post #38
opnitro wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The primary purpose of feminism is to lower white birthrates." - https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/118100374698304307... "If we had been allowed to talk about race and IQ, the invasion of Iraq would never have occurred, because no one would have been under the illusion that a Jeffersonian Republic was going to emerge from a population with an IQ in the 80s. Opposing science got >500k people killed." - https:…

Your argument is incomplete. I don't dispute that he said those things but what do you claim is the similarity to Spencer or Duke?

I am not here to do any defending of anyone, but as some people are able to defend themselves as (often rightfully) with "it was taken out of context". Yet every time I have heard anything with molyneux it has seemed to me exactly the opposite. Very few things taken out of context seem very bad. As a whole, on the other hand, I always got the impression he is bat-shit insane. Does he mention white genocide? I doubt it. Does he paint a picture of the world where white genocide is reality ? Well, I would say yes.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by empath75 »

fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

Polite white nationalism is still white nationalism.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by jacquesm »

dmix wrote: post #67
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is coordinated. Remember when Alex Jones got banned from literally everything on the same day? The reddit bans wave was leaked in advance. The more actors involved in a coordinated action the harder it is to keep a secret. Original leak: https://old.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...

> Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative Has this been announced or was this just speculation?

"Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative"

Frame it? It is an anti-racism initiative. It may have side effects as well but that is the main driver.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by opnitro »

nailer wrote: post #65
opnitro wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, they're both very racist, to the level of supposing that that white society is inherently superior. The first quote implies a the existence of a conspiracy to lower white birthrates. The second states clearly that Iraqi people would not be capable of forming a just society due to "low IQ". These are definitionally white supremacist talking points. EDIT: spelling

Are they true or false though? > The second states clearly that Iraqi people would not be capable of forming a just society due to "low IQ" Most people who've investigated IQ between different populations find east asians to have the highest IQs, which would contravene the concept of white supremacy entirely. Maybe the science is bad - there's certainly some historical basis to that. On the other hands it seems stran…

A) going to disagree pretty hard there being a conspiracy to reduce white birthrates

B) Pretty sure the Iraqi people could figure out how to run a just government. I think the history of Iraq being a colonial holding by much more powerful governments for a while has more to do with it.

So yea, both claims are false.

EDIT: Getting some downvotes and not a single reply providing an argument for either claim.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by alentist »

evanlivingston wrote: post #14
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Perhaps there is an association between strongly supporting principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Interesting speculation. On the other hand, there is an association between strongly opposing principles of free markets and problematic ethics.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by epc »

mchusma wrote: post #61

This is not directly related, but I saw the policy: "videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status" I'm curious if anyone know the root of "veteran" on this list? I am just not familiar with that kind of -ism (veteran-ism?).

Veterans are a protected class (at least under labor law) in the US based on a 1974 (VEVRAA).

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by disposekinetics »

gotoeleven wrote: post #57
Edd314159 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Why is everyone making surprised pickachu face about white nationalism as our culture encourages black nationalism and every other kind of racial tribalism? The problem isn't the color, the problem is the nationalism.

From a pure strategy perspective I suspect you never want to be the last person to adopt tribalism.
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