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Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

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"main" does seem like an objectively better word to use. The definition fits better in almost every use case. May seem like a silly gesture to some, but imagine feeling an emotional trigger every time you had to use a basic tool for your job. That'd piss me off.

counterpoint: I'll be pissed off and emotionally triggered, knowing that they bent over backwards just to be "politically correct" or "progressive".

You seem to be pretty triggered already.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#83

What bugs me about crap like this is that it ignores world history, makes these people feel good about doing nothing of consequence, and takes attention away from things that will actually help. If you are going to help, actually do something that improves the lives of people. Maybe, you should really put some effort into beefing up the Computer Science programs in black high schools and colleges? You are Microsoft,…

A small symbolic thing is still worth doing, even if it doesn't directly improve the lives of people.

No, no it isn't. If it doesn't actually help improve lives, its just an indulgence.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#84
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I'm a strong supporter of social justice. I don't really object to people putting in work to change language like that if they think it's important. Especially when the work required is minimal. That said, this is slightly ridiculous. Have customers seriously complained about the term "master"? And my impression was that the usage was more similar to "master copy" than "master of the plantation". Honestly, it's frust…

I don't think it's because people are offended at the use of the word master, in this case. I think, that it's symbolic. By making a point of getting rid of the word master, you're showing that black lives matter.

Are we going to get rid of every word that a plantation owner ever used to insult the slaves? For words that specifically have no purpose other than conveying hate, I can understand stamping them out. But master has quite a few other meanings, most of which I would think existed before institutionalized slavery of black people existed. Seems a bit unproductive to target it. They had supervisors - should we stop using the word supervisor? What about boss? Or plantation? Could not the entire BDSM culture be considered in the same way, with its themes of bondage and servitude? Somehow I doubt that every time a sub asks a dom to crack a whip over their head they are celebrating slavery. How close does a word have to be to an issue relative to its other usages in order to be considered a symbol of that issue above all else?

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#85

Nobody cares about the black slave auctions going on in Libya RIGHT NOW. But we are going to remove the word master from our software because it offends people whose ancestors were slaves generations ago.

Correction: because we think it could offend people whose ancestors were slaves generations ago.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#86
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be listing your git commits on your CV in the first place.

Please just answer the question. I have a degree called "Master's degree". What should I call it now? If it's serious enough to warrant changing everyone's git workflow, surely a small gesture like updating my CV to remove potential trigger words is needed.

If we're really having this conversation here's your answer: the github term master comes from bitkeeper which was specifically using a master/slave idiom. Whereas Master in academia is derived from the Latin Magister which doesn't have the same reference to the master slave dynamic - it's literally just a homonym. So don't change your CV.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#87
post #37

I'm a strong supporter of social justice. I don't really object to people putting in work to change language like that if they think it's important. Especially when the work required is minimal. That said, this is slightly ridiculous. Have customers seriously complained about the term "master"? And my impression was that the usage was more similar to "master copy" than "master of the plantation". Honestly, it's frust…

> That said, this is slightly ridiculous. Which makes it actively harmful: Anything you do which is even somewhat ridiculous can be seized upon by your political enemies and turned into ammunition against you. They can claim your whole movement is about the ridiculous thing, and use it to derail discussions: "Yes, yes, that point is good, but did you know they renamed something in a piece of software just because it…

Remember that we're talking about Microsoft here. We don't need to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've already shown by the actions over and over and over what kind of corporation they are.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume this only applies to new repositories.

So... 5 years from now will we have to constantly guess whether old repos are using “master” or “main”?

Master is already not consistent. For some repos it's the development branch, for some it's the stable branch, for some it's something else, for some it doesn't exist.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If my dad died of Tetanus, should I be against memory safety?

The argument was "if somebody is emotionally triggered by using some term, we should replace that term with something else". I'm not suggesting it's a good point, I'm just pointing out that there's going to be a lot of renaming to do.

You seemed to be making a programming related joke, which I responded with another one.

I wasn't really trying to make a point there, just wanted to be (arguably) funny.

Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”

#90
> 4. If it prevents even a single black person from feeling more isolated in the tech community, feels like a no brainer to me!

Does/did slavery only affect black people?

It’s really tiresome to see companies and celebrities voice support for equality, freedom, human rights in America while staying quiet (and even telling people to keep politics away from their platform) when it comes to the Hong Kong protests.

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