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Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by goda90 »

Nursie wrote: post #29
arghzzz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Many things are almost entirely harmless, but before recommending you do them anyway, you probably want to look at whether there's any point. Turning round in a circle three times before you leave the house is almost entirely harmless, and there's no evidence that doesn't stop you getting coronavirus...

But there is evidence of how deficiencies in these vitamins cause other problems unrelated to coronavirus. If it takes a pandemic to get people to worry about their nutrition, so be it.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by krageon »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #53
arghzzz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Vitamin overdoses can be serious in the worst cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

While toxic amounts of basically anything are bad, introducing random facts that have no bearing on what is discussed can mislead some readers into thinking you're making a point related to the topic at hand. While it may be unintentional, this is misleading and therefore not helpful.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by qwerty456127 »

mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

Besides extensive studies, there is little reason to be sure any particular intake of a particular nutrient or medicine is optimal. What is considered "natural", "normal" or "sufficient" is not necessarily the best in terms of the results you are going get.

Theoretically it is well possible (unless real studies indicate it's not) unnaturally huge dose of a particular nutrient may happen to be very beneficial. It is also possible deficiency in particular nutrients may happen to be beneficial too.

Although I'm not actually one of vitamin mega-dosing maniacs, I actually believe the chances the official RDAs (let alone ordinary rations) are optimal are fairly low.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by vanderZwan »

RL_Quine wrote: post #26
arghzzz wrote: post #22

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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.

In general, yes, but not in this particular context: it is extremely common to have shortages of vitamin D, B12 and magnesium, and would take quite a bit of effort to overdose on them.

(I have already been taking all three as supplements for the last year due to other research suggesting that having a shortage of them worsens ADHD symptoms)

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by nkingsy »

pen2l wrote: post #39
RL_Quine wrote: post #26

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Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.

Yeah but come on, most everyone don't take it in unsuitable amounts just like they don't drink 6 gallons of water every day. Taking vitamin D for the average American will surely help in keeping good immunity, bone health, etc.

D supplements as well as fish oil were thought promising until studies showed they did not really do what they were advertised to do in supplement form.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/clinical-trials/201...

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by nradov »

partyboat1586 wrote: post #60
yomly wrote: post #43

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This is a misnomer according to a recent guest on the Joe Rogan podcast. Granted that might not be the best source, I reflected on that and the chemistry makes sense. Vitamins primarily will leach out via osmosis. Osmosis works by gradients. This probably means an exponential decay of absorption relative to concentration and as you consume more, your body will waste progressively more and uptake will be less efficien…

Dr Rhonda Patrick was the guest if anyone is interested. Worth watching with paper and pen (or digital equivalent).

Show notes are here.

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/jre-1474

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by Spooky23 »

snikeris wrote: post #65
nkozyra wrote: post #55

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I've seen two theories floated: 1. Vitamin D as a side effect of sun exposure is not itself the important indicator. Instead, some other biological response increases immune response simultaneously. Hence, D supplementation is itself copying the wrong response. 2. Vitamin D deficiency is caused by illness, hence it actually doesn't affect mortality and the relationship is not casual.

My money is on 1. Vitamin D deficiency is caused by lack of sunlight. I'm skeptical of doctors telling me to avoid the sun and take a pill instead.

I eye-rolled at that guidance too, until a loved one was diagnosed out of the blue with stage-2 melanoma. It's terrifying.

Don't screw around with sun protection. Despite what the internet says, people who work outside get it too.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by krageon »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #49
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #37

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Presumably it's relatively easy for a lab to run a panel of tests on me and say "you're deficient in X, Y, Z; try eating more A B C; spend 30mins extra a week outside; drink less alcohol". How easy is it too get such tests (in UK), I'm surprised we don't seem to have anything like this as part of our health system. I've had blood pressure and height/weight taken a couple of times (I'm middle aged). But that's about a…

Just measuring those 4 costs 83€ in a laboratory in Vienna. And there are more measurements one should probably take! And you need to test them more than once to see if supplementation works and you are not getting too much. That's not cheap...

We're talking an expense of somewhere around 1k total over a period of a few months. While not within everyone's reach (and if a single check is performed say yearly after initial alteration of your diet also an ongoing expense), it's far from an insurmountable cost. Especially considering this directly impacts your day-to-day well-being.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by tootie »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #19
mikece wrote: post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

I wouldn't be surprised if quarantine is leading to an historic spike in D deficiency.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Post by PudgePacket »

> Patients were administered oral vitamin D3 1000 IU OD

I've seen multiple sources say that 1000 IU of vit D is usually insufficient to boost levels, with suggestions of up to 5000 a day. My mothers doctor put her up to 2000 a day because 1000 did nothing to her levels, which were already low.

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