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Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by jakelazaroff »

0xy wrote: post #59
jakelazaroff wrote: post #44

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Property destruction should absolutely not be met with violence, no. Things can be replaced. People cannot.

You carefully cherry picked one aspect of my argument and didn't address the arson of occupied buildings with children inside. That's one example, there's also kidnapping, rape and serious assault with deadly weapons to point at. Someone was nearly stoned to death on the street with bricks by rioters for protecting a business.

I didn’t cherry pick, I’m simply not defending assaults on people. Any violence by protesters against humans (other than in self defense) is not okay.

That said, violence by police against civilians is far worse. It shouldn’t happen in response to property damage, but it especially shouldn’t happen unprovoked — and we’ve been seeing a lot more of that than violence from protesters.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by ReticentVole »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #12
ReticentVole wrote: post #7

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So we should hand over control and censorship of the President's communications to a small group of Silicon Valley engineers?

Do you really think — if Facebook and Twitter hypothetically decided to ban him — that the President of the United States would have trouble getting a message out?

De-platforming is a key part of the Alt-Left's strategy of controlling opposition:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deplatforming

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Post by tomnipotent »

0xy wrote: post #41
waon wrote: post #38

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> I also truly don't understand how you can allow politics to be so deeply embedded in your work. The president of the United States is threatening military violence against its own citizens and you criticize people for being "political"? Seriously?

Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. He threatened military violence against rioting and looting, driven by terrorism. Some of these rioters set fire to occupied buildings with children inside and prevented emergency services from accessing the location. In other words, property destruction and attempted murder. Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence?

> met with praise and not violence?

Yes. Do you have ANY examples in history where protests were met with violence didn't end poorly? Hell, America celebrates the Boston Tea Party in school.

Civil disobedience is an American obligation.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by tomnipotent »

0xy wrote: post #59
jakelazaroff wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Property destruction should absolutely not be met with violence, no. Things can be replaced. People cannot.

You carefully cherry picked one aspect of my argument and didn't address the arson of occupied buildings with children inside. That's one example, there's also kidnapping, rape and serious assault with deadly weapons to point at. Someone was nearly stoned to death on the street with bricks by rioters for protecting a business.

> That's one example, there's also kidnapping, rape and serious assault with deadly weapons to point at.

So you've pointed out what the police have been up to, and why people are out rioting.

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Post by adt2bt »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #32
daenz wrote: post #16

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Why can they make hundreds of thousands in total compensation?

Because they're replacing their political leverage for dollars. Which is, of course, their choice.

It’s not clear to me that claiming political leverage would cost them dollars. Typically unionized employees make more once it’s said and done. I tend to think that there’s a shortage in engineering skill, which drives their cost up.

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Post by 0xy »

waon wrote: post #79
0xy wrote: post #53

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>Please don't put words in my mouth. It's a simple question, and I never implied your response either way. Do you think violence by police or military is justified when individuals are setting fire to occupied buildings?

It's the job of the police to de-escalate . Sometimes, this may fail and some harm might be done in the hands of the police. However, being a police officer should never be a free ticket to inflict violence with impunity, and this is what people are advocating for. As for the military, it simply isn't their job to police their own citizens. Frankly, I don't know why I'm having to say this. I'm just stating the obviou…

How do you de-escalate an occupied building on fire with violent protestors preventing emergency services from saving children?

The police are obviously totally overwhelmed, and like it or not the military has the legal authority to operate domestically and without them being there more people could've died.

I don't understand your position. There's an occupied building on fire, with children inside. Protesters are attacking fire crews. What is the ideal outcome? I didn't see a fireman with his knee on anyone's neck. Why attack them, if not to cause destruction and murder people?

Arson against residential buildings is terrorism. That's it.

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Post by EVdotIO »

sargun wrote: post #65
EVdotIO wrote: post #25

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What? Damn, what's happening here?

No idea about the xenophobia, but RE police unions: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/crime/amp/S...

Yeah, I understand police unions, but equating that to SWE collectivizing? That's a massive stretch and some serious whataboutism.

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Post by Apocryphon »

ditonal wrote: post #3

Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…

Just invent a union and rebrand it as a guild. That could have greater appeal. Alternatively, shore up the ACM with lobbying power and give it teeth, similar to the AMA/ABA/APA.

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Post by vertex-four »

ALittleLight wrote: post #51
baddox wrote: post #31

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Television. Online and paper news. Literally beaming messages directly to the cellphones of every American.

He can and does use television now. Television takes longer to setup and doesn't reach the same people. You can't go on TV to share a one sentence thought but you can easily do that on Twitter. So long as you think there's at least one person who he reaches by social media that he wouldn't reach with traditional media, it seems you are obligated to conclude that banning him from social media would reduce his reach, o…

The President of the United States could set up a Mastodon or Pleroma instance or what-have-you. It's not like Twitter and Facebook are the only entities with the ability to put short messages on the Internet.

And yes, this would reduce his reach. So would a newspaper or TV channel not publishing something he said, and yet we'd be incredibly weirded out if newspapers and TV channels were required to publish every mundane thing the President sends their way.

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Post by [deleted] »

malandrew wrote: post #45
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #19

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Policies that engineers in general truly support are rare. Many engineers - I suspect the majority - just don't feel that strongly about most causes.

It’s hard to feel strongly about any cause when you’re generally intelligent enough to reason Ng about multiple aspects and develop a nuanced understanding. Generally, the less intelligent someone is, the more strongly I observe them feeling about things.

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