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In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by asveikau »

2019-nCoV wrote: post #73
asveikau wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

> As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social distancing and masks. All of us reading were born later, and if we heard about the 1918 flu, maybe in a history class as I remember, most of us probably reacted with ... "what? what's so bad about a flu?" You can't…

I think you're somewhat making my point though. Sitting in 1919 you could look at the horrible pandemic with so many lives lost and said, gee, life will never be the same, daily life will change a lot from this. (Yeah, I guess the war was a big deal too.) There are lots of photos going around these days saying how serious it was. Then a bunch of other important stuff happened. Including the entire lives of everybody reading this. And the pandemic from last century was not the most important thing.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by lonelappde »

indigochill wrote: post #74
jeffrallen wrote: post #32

Remote everything sucks and I will stop doing it all as soon as possible. Humans need stories, and stories take place in sets. Seeing the entirety of your life through a window on your computer is not a life.

This description immediately called to mind Rear Window for me, which largely takes place in a single apartment and is widely considered a classic film. But ironic pedantry aside, I do agree people need to get out. Even as a homebody I find myself getting grumpy if I don't get out for some sun and fresh air once in a while.

Rear Window wasn't about how great it was to live in that apartment. It was about someone stuck in an apartment escaping by watching other people's apartments.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by bzb3 »

jeffrallen wrote: post #32

Remote everything sucks and I will stop doing it all as soon as possible. Humans need stories, and stories take place in sets. Seeing the entirety of your life through a window on your computer is not a life.

Very good way of expressing what I think.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by sonthonax »

tzs wrote: post #61
narrator wrote: post #15

So we're all going to learn to cut our own hair and pull our own teeth?

If you don't live alone, it's not actually all that hard to do home haircuts if you just want a basic haircut. The 1500 hours of training it takes to get a class A barber certificate in Texas (the first state whose requirements I happened to find on the web), which I presume is similar for barbers in other states, covers a whole lot more than just a simple haircut. A lot of things that can be done reasonably easily,…

Not to denigrate the profession, but the ‘theory of barbering’, would be the most infuriatingly mediocre 5 working weeks.

While plenty of barbers are smart people, you don’t need to smart to be a barber.

I’m fairly sure the reason there’s 50 hours of anatomy alone is so the lowest common denominator can pass.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by dahfizz »

lonelappde wrote: post #80
lykr0n wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sure would make it better, and this WFH shit has made me start to looming for a larger place that can do this. But this doesn't scale for everyone- they either can't afford a larger place or the area can't support it. The big thing for me is going some place else allows for a shifting of mindset. I don't want my therapist's office to be the same place where I work which is the same place I get doctors appointments

There may be other solutions. What if instead of spending an hour commuting to the therapist, you spend half an hour ritually preparing your room for therapy? Hanging a curtain, switchin the lighting color, etc. What if you had a VR-CAVE-like projection system and you downloaded a "wallpaper" from your therapist for use in your session?

> What if instead of spending an hour commuting to the therapist, you spend half an hour ritually preparing your room for therapy?

That's quite an estimate. What is much more likely, and generally true, is that the commute is 10-15 minutes and the time spent in quiet, alone, on either end of the therapy session is a boon.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by 2019-nCoV »

asveikau wrote: post #81
2019-nCoV wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social distancing and masks. All of us reading were born later, and if we heard about the 1918 flu, maybe in a history class as I remember, most of us probably reacted with ... "what? what's so bad about a flu?" You can't…

I think you're somewhat making my point though. Sitting in 1919 you could look at the horrible pandemic with so many lives lost and said, gee, life will never be the same, daily life will change a lot from this. (Yeah, I guess the war was a big deal too.) There are lots of photos going around these days saying how serious it was. Then a bunch of other important stuff happened. Including the entire lives of everybody…

How would people even contemplate changing their lives in 1919? There were no flights. No option to work remotely. No Zoom. No Amazon. No food delivery. No Netflix. No Tinder. The world was not ready. Timing is everything.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

2019-nCoV wrote: post #62
rayiner wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t find Zoom to be an acceptable alternative to in-person meetings. I don’t like the lack of separation between work space and home space (especially since my spouse also works). I miss having support staff available in person.

What if others are finding Zoom and remote life acceptable? How can you ever go back to in-person meetings until all others in said meeting were back in the office?

You just... go back to it. The model will look a lot like what most companies had pre-pandemic: there'll be videoconference links for all the important meetings so that remote employees can kinda attend, and less important meetings will just take place among only the people who are around.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by ghaff »

lykr0n wrote: post #71
ghaff wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all fairness, you're making the assumption that the people you're meeting with are normally in the same location. Very few people I meet with are in the same office and/or they're often traveling or otherwise not physically present. So even if I came into the office every day, I would have a few serendipitous encounters but most meetings would still be over video link.

I have a good example of this. Right before all of this I went to Austin to sit in a room with people from that office for a day for us to figure out how we want to continue using a service internally. We could have done it over zoom, but I'm 100% sure we would have been a lot less effective. Zoom looses the ability for people to just argue and hash stuff out. There is less back and forth. IT's not the same

Oh, I don't disagree at all that getting people together in a room can be very useful. I'm just saying that, for me, those people are usually not all located in a single office so we're going to have to travel to some common location to get together in a room. A fairly small percentage of the people I work with regularly are within a hundred miles of each other.

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Post by theriddlr »

tzs wrote: post #61
narrator wrote: post #15

So we're all going to learn to cut our own hair and pull our own teeth?

If you don't live alone, it's not actually all that hard to do home haircuts if you just want a basic haircut. The 1500 hours of training it takes to get a class A barber certificate in Texas (the first state whose requirements I happened to find on the web), which I presume is similar for barbers in other states, covers a whole lot more than just a simple haircut. A lot of things that can be done reasonably easily,…

You'd think with all the training ladies' hairdressers would know how to deal with different hair types. My hair isn't that much different from Caucasian hair. Even some ladies' hairdressers in the UK don't know how to deal with my Asian (Oriental) hair. The strands are thicker and I have more hair as well. I either go to the Asian salons or go for the non-trainee hairdressers.

I have received highlights that aren't visible at all except under the sun, hair that doesn't hang right as the weight of my hair holds it straighter when it's long, left with too much hair as they don't understand what thinning hair is, etc.

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