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Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by fosk »

einpoklum wrote: post #76
fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

> enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability You mean by not having public housing? > Homelessness is - for the most part in San Francisco - a choice and/or a result of mental illness and drug addiction. It's obviously not a choice. It's also not the result of mental illness nor of drug addiction, at least for the most part, as people suffering from mental illness or addicted to some drug also don't…

They do refuse housing when it is being offered. In addition to this San Francisco does not cooperate with ICE to deport illegal aliens which make the housing problem worse.

Do you agree that if they do refuse housing we need to do something about it? Do you also agree that we should start taking action in making more housing available by at least deporting illegal aliens?

It is obvious by now - after 40 years - that the current strategy does not work, don't you agree with this statement?

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by einpoklum »

aaomidi wrote: post #26
fosk wrote: post #13

> But there are many reasons why the region could finally be experiencing a shrinking population: And yet the author is missing the elephant in the room: the incredibly deteriorating living conditions in a city crammed with drug addicts, human feces and casual violent aggressions at all hours of the day. A city that enables the "homeless lifestyle" without any accountability. Homelessness is - for the most part in Sa…

How do you propose to solve said drug addiction and homeless lifestyle?

Homelessness is not a "lifestyle", and it is quite rude of you to say that.

Also, in the US, a great amount of social resources are expended - albeit often indirectly or inadvertantly - to _encourage_ drug addiction. Aim for the social institutions that make the US the highest developed country in terms of, say, opiate use:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalenc...

(second highest if we consider Russia developed rather than developing)

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by aaomidi »

fosk wrote: post #78
renewiltord wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.

So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens? We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death. San Francisco truly is a law-less place.

Applying "illegal" to someone who is in your country without __papers please__, is just so astonishing to me.

Why on earth do you give a shit who lives where in the world? I've immigrated to the US, legally, gone through all the paperwork and expenses. I don't give a fuck if "illegal" immigrants exist.

I will continue to advocate for them and vote for policies that keep them safe.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

panzagl wrote: post #70
thrownaway954 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're right... it is nitpicking. as the old saying goes, eventually you're going to offend someone.

Well, a billion someones, anyway.

Per Wikipedia, about half a billion.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by renewiltord »

fosk wrote: post #78
renewiltord wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because no one can demonstrate it makes an appreciable impact, and the cost is that we get ghettos where no one will report crime. So we don’t do it.

So - as a result of your logic - you suggest that we allow crime and illegal aliens? We know it does make an impact because the police department regularly arrests them (since they cause negativities in the community) and regularly the courts release them so that they can go back to the same street corner to keep selling death. San Francisco truly is a law-less place.

You get rid of illegal immigrants on the street and you won't move the needle on crime. Listen, I'm not interested in you blowing my money on vanity projects.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by einpoklum »

thrownaway954 wrote: post #57
aaomidi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you propose to solve said drug addiction and homeless lifestyle?

give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

Agree with you generally, but NA is a religious missionary program, where the treatment/process involves worship or reverence of supernatural entities (a god / higher power).

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by thrownaway954 »

einpoklum wrote: post #86
thrownaway954 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

give them the compassion and support that any one of us deserves as human beings. if they are mental ill, then get them on the medication they need. if they want a job, give them one. if they are on drugs, get them into a program like NA and give them the medication to combat the withdrawl. everyone deserves the help the desire. there is no reason why we should putting each other down.

Agree with you generally, but NA is a religious missionary program, where the treatment/process involves worship or reverence of supernatural entities (a god / higher power).

I'm in NA... it's not a religious program and you don't have to believe in god or a higher power. all of that crap is suggested.

it's a fellowship, nothing more, nothing less. you have someone that you can talk that understands first hand what you are going through when you have cravings. that's all it is... support when you want it.

everything is optional.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by ueueshitashita »

aaomidi wrote: post #79
eanzenberg wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outlaw street-level drug use.

And how does that help? You're just sending anyone undesirable to prison? How about, and this is a wild idea, we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that?

> we just require housing to be a natural right and we give people that?

Who is "we" in this context?

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by brodouevencode »

renewiltord wrote: post #55
brodouevencode wrote: post #21

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Stay the hell out of Georgia too.

Haha, I don’t think you have to tell anyone this. They’ll do it themselves.

It was a joke, and you might be surprised. Traffic is an easy indication of the rate of growth.

Re: San Francisco Residents Are Leaving at an Unprecedented Rate

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Post by buboard »

paxys wrote: post #32
shp0ngle wrote: post #7

I know this is hacker news nitpicking, but moveBuddha is incredibly disrespectful name for a company to actual buddhists.

Why? Is the name offensive in any way?

can be taken to be.

Consider the alternatives moveJesus or moveMohammad

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