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This is how we were taught at Oxford. The only problem was, the unmotivated/disorganised students (like myself) often didn't do the reading/studying in our own time and so had to have these extremely painful tutorials one on one with the tutor. Also, I remember when doing Economic Theory, I spent 40 hours reading/studying in a library per week and still couldn't get my head around some of the advanced math and game t…

What's nice is that if the Khan academy system were implemented universally, you would have known right away that you lacked the mathematical background you needed.

Dependency graphs are really nice things to know explicitly.

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Superior products launched earlier ignored for lack of effective marketing, while an arguably less innovative and minimalist but attractively packaged product geared towards a grossly underserved niche succeeds in capturing attention because the competition in that niche is ossified and terrible? One could almost try to extract a lesson out of that...

If I could change one thing about hackers, it would be their overall misunderstanding and attitude towards marketing.

Would you care to elaborate, or link to some page that does? It sounds like this could be important.

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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Khanacademy is neat but I find it odd that people on HN either aren't aware or dont care about other earlier sources such as : - MIT's OCW - USNW eLearning channel on Youtube (esp Richar Buckland) - TIMMS (Germany, possibly the first of the video resources) - UCBerkeley youtube channel - Dr. Adrian Banner (Princeton) - Harvard (esp Michael Sandel's lectures, amazing) The above can be easily searched for and are hardl…

The problem with some of those is that their quality isn't consistent. I know with OCW, depending on what you pick, sometimes you might get video of a lecture, sometimes you might just get a powerpoint that doesn't really give you a ton of info.

I haven't looked at it for a while, maybe they've fixed it. But Khan Academy hit the ground running. I originally found him a few years ago when he didn't even quite have a hundred videos up. It blew my mind, I was just looking for some help with algebra but instead I found a rabbit hole of knowledge.

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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After reading a few comments, I haven't seen this point made so I'm gonna go for it: > The traditional model, it penalizes you for experimentation and failure, > but does not expect mastery. > We encourage you to experiment [and fail], but we do expect mastery. This, in my opinion, is the most potential ridden idea made by Khan. Today, middle schools is ~3 years, high school is 4 years, university is 4 years, etc.; w…

>and there wouldn't be kids who didn't know how to tie their shoes;

I've met at least a few people who, being charitable, I would be extremely hard pressed to see passing a calculus exam. I'd agree that for some it's down to motivation but the motivation may come 20+years later or not at all.

Certainly though I'm extremely wary of declaring that all people can attain the same intellectual level which appears to be what you claim.

I'm not going to say it's impossible but I think you must have missed a step where you do some sort of brain augmentation or injection of nanobots to build knowledge pathways without any need to apply a learning process ...

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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You are confusing learning math with the field of math. Again I am a big proponent of Seymores work but that is not the point here. The point is that Kahn Academy allows you to learn math in your own tempo and that is the future of education. That doesn't mean that other things wont be important too but to say that it's not the future of education is simply missing the greater point IMHO. People who have never been a…

I was arguing your assertion that maths is not creative, even in the basic level. I completely agree that non uniform pacing is a really great breakthrough and do not argue the efficacy of these videos. Nor their impact on the future of education. But saying there is no creativity in maths is the type of thing that hurts the education of the subject - with teachers punishing kids for doing things unlike the book says…

Don't know why you've been downvoted I have upped you again.

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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If I could change one thing about hackers, it would be their overall misunderstanding and attitude towards marketing.

Would you care to elaborate, or link to some page that does? It sounds like this could be important.

I covered some aspects of it in an old article of mine: http://programmingzen.com/2009/07/27/why-technical-marketing...

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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Superior products launched earlier ignored for lack of effective marketing, while an arguably less innovative and minimalist but attractively packaged product geared towards a grossly underserved niche succeeds in capturing attention because the competition in that niche is ossified and terrible? One could almost try to extract a lesson out of that...

If I could change one thing about hackers, it would be their overall misunderstanding and attitude towards marketing.

I have a theory about this. I think hackers come largely from the autistic spectrum part of the population. We are less fascinated with other people and more willing to be alone, or perhaps with a completely logical slave machine for company.

The desire to fit in and conform does not develop in the normal way, because we're not aware until later than neurotypical people of what other people are thinking and we never care about it quite so much. Normal children are obsessed with finding peer approval and young hackers stare in amazement.

I failed to grasp the basic mechanics of marketing until a kind MBA recommended "Crossing the Chasm" by Geoff Moore, after I had told him I didn't really see the use of sales and marketing. One of the ideas in the book is the need for marketers to convince different market segments that this product is suitable for them. A huge part of that is convincing them that they are not alone, that the product has already sold to a lot of other people and that they are not going to be doing something risky and independent by buying it.

This herd mentality, which dominates mass market sales, had not really figured in my earlier understanding because I am not in that same category. I'm in Moore's "innovators" category. It doesn't matter a bit to me whether anyone I know of has chosen some product or idea.

So I think many hackers have a poor grasp of marketing because it doesn't really work on them and they don't know how unusual that is.

Re: Khan of Khan Academy at TED (video)

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The Khan Academy is not the future of education. Don't get me wrong, I think they're doing a superb job and I'd encourage people to contribute to their efforts. Khan is obviously a great presenter with a remarkable ability to explain complex concepts using a new medium. However, the future of education is closer to hacker culture than it is about new and better content delivery mechanisms. Let me explain. First, I to…

I respectfully disagree. Some things in life are about practice, practice, practice and mastering skills. Others are about creativity and play. I do weightlifting, and everything is about form. There is no room, none, for creativity, in something like the squat. That isn't to say that once you develop core strength, you can't then use your strength creatively, and do new exercises. Likewise with math (and many other…

I see your point. But the key here is choice. You chose to go to the gym and do repetitive exercises. You probably do this in part because you want to be healthy and it makes you feel good. Do some kids want to do repetitive math exercises? Sure, I was one them! But they are a small minority. Should we force kids do repetitive exercises just because it is good for them? It's a tricky question.
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