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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by cma »

cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

Bandwidth is one of their main costs presumably, and most cloud providers charge inflated egress prices (though for something the size of Zoom I'm sure they'd negotiate).

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by redis_mlc »

partiallypro wrote: post #30
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

> I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS

Netflix had a 5-day outage caused by issues with their private DC back in the day.

IT mgmt. decided their expertise wasn't in operating DC's, SV real estate was too expensive, and doing multi-region themselves was too expensive.

AWS was picked as it was the only viable cloud offering at the time, and the decision was made to be mono-cloud until later. (Azure was used for storing backups.)

Note that AWS was never used for large-scale streaming. Either a partner CDN was used, or now their own CDN.

Source: worked at Netflix.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by Spooky23 »

BrowserMeeting wrote: post #57
ViViDboarder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve heard about Walmart. They apparently won’t even use a SaaS tool if it’s hosted on Amazon.

Wow. That’s news to me. Walmart is so calculated.

It's just smart business.

Your random SaaS company is often a big shitshow. I've had more than one vendor Sales Engineer show me live customer data in response to performance or other questions. Startups and smaller SaaS companies in particular often demonstrate amazing levels of cluelessness.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by eganist »

chrisseaton wrote: post #75
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

> I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Because Amazon, Microsoft, and Google are competitors to Zoom. Why would you host on your competitor ?!

Netflix has entered the chat.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by STRiDEX »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #32
partiallypro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve heard about Walmart. They apparently won’t even use a SaaS tool if it’s hosted on Amazon.

I worked at walmart labs for 3 years and that is correct. We had one, on premise, service that phoned home for license information to an AWS address and our request to whitelist the ip address had to go up to the CTO.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

redis_mlc wrote: post #82
partiallypro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

> I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS Netflix had a 5-day outage caused by issues with their private DC back in the day. IT mgmt. decided their expertise wasn't in operating DC's, SV real estate was too expensive, and doing multi-region themselves was too expensive. AWS was picked as it was the only viable cloud offering at the time, and the decision…

Thanks! And that makes complete sense - even for a company with that scale and budget, there's some fights not worth fighting when you can get back to doing what you do well and let someone else deal with the stuff you'd have to spend a bunch of effort getting good at.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by breischl »

btown wrote: post #50

For those who may think Oracle may have moments of nuance, it's always worth listening to Brian Cantrill's epic rant on Oracle and lawnmowers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=34m7s

Wow, that is an impressive rant.

>Don't make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison

That is just brilliant comedy. :)

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by jedberg »

DevKoala wrote: post #54

Do people questioning the intentions of this move, have actual experience using Oracle cloud? It seems that people really eat the marketing that AWS/GCP/Azure are the best cloud provider for every single product. Oracle Cloud's perception is in the gutter, and it's all press. It's very possible that they have a competitive cloud service. They were making some decent offers for talent last time I checked.

From what I've heard, the top talent they are hiring are not being allowed to actually do anything useful. They are getting paid to be in the PR.

Maybe someone who actually works on Oracle cloud can jump in here and clarify.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by Arelius »

holler wrote: post #52
mcbain wrote: post #27

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Amazon has Chime. Not heard of it? You aren’t alone there.

I've heard nothing but negative reviews about Chime from amazon employee's whom have to use it daily...

So... Amazon employees are forced to use Chime for chat. It's crap for that and the Chime team doesn't care, it's not what their external customers care about.

Also, it's gotten much much better in the last 2 years. By the time I left, it's video was handily better than any non-zoom video chat I've tried, and competitive with zoom.

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