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If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

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Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#81

The author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple is either stupid or blind. Recent history does not suggest that either is the case. It seems more likely to me that Apple is very much aware of the contradiction but has plans to change this, but no intention of telling us about it yet. Gotta wonder what that…

I don't make either assumption. I've staked quite a bit of my lively hood on building apps for Apple products. I wouldn't do this if I thought they were stupid or blind. I just don't buy the "Post-PC" device story they are telling with the iPad quite yet.

So what you are saying is that you don't believe it is true to call it a post-PC device now, but it will be true at some point in the future.

And your problem with this is? Just that they are saying it now? Don't understand the concern, honestly.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#82

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If all you ever use your PC for is Hulu, then what you need is a TV, and televisions are not "post-PC", they're a different product entirely, nor will they ever replace PCs. :P

Silly strawman. Actually none of them watched video at all. They used maps, google earth, the browser, a Craigslist app, the photos app, and kindle. But I guess I've fallen for a troll.

Not a straw man, it was an example. I am not trolling. PCs can be used for all manner of things, some things that they are now used for are better suited to other devices. Some things are perfectly suited to PCs and other devices just fail to measure up.

My point is, iPad ownership and PC ownership are not mutually exclusive. Having an iPad does not mean you are done with PCs.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

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We're in a transitional period. The vast majority of people who have iPads do have a PC of some kind also. For now it's the most practical way of doing backups, updates, and syncing large amounts of content. I do think Apple will move in the direction of not requiring a PC for these things but it's non-trival. How do you sync 16-64GB of data over 3G? Do you push 300MB+ updates to someone with a 150MB/month data cap? 2GB? How, and where, do you sync purchased content? How do you backup the device? This is a very important feature iTunes provides that most people won't even notice until they have some need to restore a device.

The newest iOS update has modified the way OS updates work by not erasing/re-syncing the device. I suspect this is one of the first steps towards moving to a more OTA existence for the iPad. They still need to trim down these updates so they're not killing people's caps. Everything on the content side is going to require a lot more work. If you look at Android for example that does just about everything OTA you realize that a) Google doesn't really sell content so they don't care how or if you get anything on your device. Figure it out yourself. b) Android doesn't backup automatically. Some of your data is synced to Google Services but if you flush your Android phone down the toilet by mistake you're going to lose all your application data and content you synced, or created, on the device. Again -- figure it out yourself if you want a good backup c) Google doesn't update all their devices at the same time. There will never be 100 million+ Android devices trying to download android3.0.tar.gz at the same time. It's a bigger challenge for Apple to do OTA updates given their strategy to update all compatible iOS devices at the same time. I'm not trying to bash Google, their system is fine, but people make it sound like this super trivial thing to divorce post-PC devices from the PC. It's not. Google has been able to do this through minimalism. They don't take any responsibility for updates/backups/syncing so it's a bit easier for them to pull this off right now. If you use Google Exchange with an iOS device you get most of the same benefits in-fact.

Apple could easily divorce the activation-via-PC step but it would set the expectation that you don't need to connect it to a PC ever for normal operation/update/syncing. When they do remove the activation-via-PC step you can be sure everything else won't require a PC connection. It will be all or nothing. That's how Apple tends to operate.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#85
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This really really annoys me about the ipad. Furthermore, for some extra annoyance, Itunes does not run on linux, so I cannot run it. And even after I secured a windows computer to run itunes, I discovered that itunes is a really slow, extremely badly designed, confusing and annoying piece of software. It took me forever to upgrade my ipad to the new os.

I hear a lot of complaints about iTunes, but it works pretty well for me - on a Mac. Are you using the Windows version?

iTunes is, perhaps, the least intuitive piece of software I've used in the past decade. I have, on three separate occasions now, deleted my entire music collection on the PC while trying to get music from the machine onto the iPod or iPhone. It's happened once on a Mac and twice on the Windows version of iTunes. I no longer even install iTunes, because I'm afraid of it. (I use an Android phone now, don't have an iPad, and I never liked it for listening to music on the desktop, so I don't need it for anything.)

But, I find a lot of Apple software really hard to use and frustrating, including the OS itself, so I tend to refer to myself as Appletarded. I may be an outlier; just not wired up to understand Apple user interfaces.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all you ever use your PC for is Hulu, then what you need is a TV, and televisions are not "post-PC", they're a different product entirely, nor will they ever replace PCs. :P

Silly strawman. Actually none of them watched video at all. They used maps, google earth, the browser, a Craigslist app, the photos app, and kindle. But I guess I've fallen for a troll.

I don't know, to me it seems like a legitimate observation and not trolling. It's not really an anti-ipad argument, but it's just a reminder that the iPad isn't a replacement for everything below a certain threshold.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#87
post #59

This really really annoys me about the ipad. Furthermore, for some extra annoyance, Itunes does not run on linux, so I cannot run it. And even after I secured a windows computer to run itunes, I discovered that itunes is a really slow, extremely badly designed, confusing and annoying piece of software. It took me forever to upgrade my ipad to the new os.

You can activate an iPad without using iTunes. Try iDeviceActivate: https://github.com/posixninja/ideviceactivate/

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#89

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Yeah, my mistake, I just saw the similar description and figured it was the same model. The Amazon link is the one I ordered. Good looking out though, thanks.

Sorry about that, I've updated it to be a microSDHC card now. I clearly wasn't paying enough attention with my original link.

No sweat, you're in the clear. On another topic, are you aware of a good leading indicator for storage increases? I can't believe that I am at the stage where 32GB doesn't seem like that much, but here I am.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry about that, I've updated it to be a microSDHC card now. I clearly wasn't paying enough attention with my original link.

No sweat, you're in the clear. On another topic, are you aware of a good leading indicator for storage increases? I can't believe that I am at the stage where 32GB doesn't seem like that much, but here I am.

Unfortunately, since your phone has an SDHC slot, you're going to be limited to the 32GB card. Hopefully phones will begin supporting the SDXC standard, which goes to 2TB cards, but the largest I've seen so far have been 128GB and they're unbelievably expensive. I suspect that those prices will drop soon, but I have no insight as to what indicates price drops for them and such.
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