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Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

>Basically have some empathy Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

Because it’s literally a child playing at a global level?

How many of us could handle that kind of pressure at his age?

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#82
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

>Basically have some empathy Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

That’s a reason for the sympathy.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#83
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Because "person beats Magnus Carlsen" isn't nearly as interesting a headline as "really young person beats Magnus Carlsen" - the latter gives us a sense that we should be surprised. I think you're seeing racism where there is none.

Nothing wrong with pointing out that he's young. But he still has a name, and you've got to wonder about the significance of him being Iranian.

One reason to do that is to make it accessible for your reader. They hopefully have heard of Iran, they can "understand" the headline. Even for people who know of the situation sometimes players get a preceding nationality because then you don't need to remember the names to follow along with who is who.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#84

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

FWIW this is why I've adopted Curling after playing hockey for a decade. It is an incredibly skillful and physical game and yet you see 80 year olds at the rink playing it. You can get good at it and be good for a long long time. You don't get too old.

Also the beauty of golf. You can enjoy it until your 70s, some even older. You can do outings with several generations. Has shorter tees for younger, older, ladies if they want to use the. It also has a legitimate handicap system so everyone can compete.

I also really love fishing, mostly for different reasons, but it's multi generational too of course.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#85
post #55

I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

The following is a comment from this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxKmO0SCNkc&lc=Ugw2taPKtZSpk...

From the video of the play, it doesn't look like Alireza threw a fit. Losing on time I'd be frustrated enough to whack the table. It is a tense moment. What seems unsportsmanlike is his interactions with the arbiter.

>I will add some additional information from the broadcast and what microphones picked up during the norwegian live coverage.

>After Alireza lost on time (he fumbled his king, not the bishop), he claimed that there was no mating material and that it should be a draw. There was then a pretty loud discussion at the table, when the arbiter ruled the game as a draw. Magnus claimed there was mating material on the board, the arbiter still ruled a draw. We could then hear Magnus say "Who's ruling is that? Is it yours?" since he thought the arbiter was influenced by Alireza. The head arbiter then came over and ruled a loss on time for Alireza since there was mating material on the board. They moved to the side, and the camera and microphones picked up a heated debate between the head arbiter and the Alireza team and they needed the rules explained to them. After a lot of fuzz, Alireza was shown the very clear rule that it is only a draw if there is "not mating material left by any means possible for Carlsen".

>Then Alireza changed his story and claimed that Carlsen spoke something in Norwegian and had disturbed him. The arbiter then said he should have stopped the clock and addressed it when it happened, and again Alireza claimed that this happened when there was 2 seconds left on the clock and it would be impossible. This was the second time he changed his story.

>The head arbiter ruled that he lost on time and if he had any concerns about Carlsens behaviour he should have adressed it at the table.

>Alireza and his team put in an official complaint, claiming that Carlsen said something in Norwegian and distrubed when Alireza had only seconds left on the clock.

>While the complaint was reviewed, the TV team showed the entire endgame. It shows Magnus spontaneously whisper a norwegian word when he blundered his C-pawn. Carlsen had at the time about 2-3 seconds on the clock, Alireza more than 8 and a completely winning position. If he wanted he had time to complain, but was winning on the board. They played for about 2 more minutes and Alireza fumbled pieces 3 times and lost a lot of time on the clock.

>It was only when he lost on time, all these excuses showed up. The jury overruled his complaint, and Alireza lost on time. He was extremely sympathetic in the interviews before this, but this circus after his loss was an embarassment for him and his team.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#86
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

>Basically have some empathy Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

That'd be ideal, but you only control yourself. Empathisizing with someone doesn't mean you have to agree with them. It just means you don't need to call them out on it months later on a random HN thread when they've come around with a nice result. Maybe it'd be relevant if this article was about another argument with event moderators

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#87
post #55

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Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

He's literally a kid, give him a break.

People tend to forget this too quickly. 14 is 7th or 8th grade. Does anybody here treat every 8th grader like an adult?

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#88

Why is Alireza Firouzja being referred to as "Iranian teen"? He's an international top player. I doubt that Carlsen was referred to as "Norwegian teen" when he was ranking in the top 25. p.s: As always: responses > downvotes.

How about: "Teen flees Iran to defeat Magnus Carlsen"

Not entirely true, but that he had to leave Iran to pursue his chess career is interesting.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#89

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

Formula 1 racing is similar. Drivers become aś good as they every can in pure pure driving skill in karting when they are still teenagers. All skills needed for driving fast are developed early. Rest of the career in F3/F2/GP2 feeder series to F1 is just maturing psychologically, getting experience and learning stuff you need outside the track. Ultimate skill level is already there or not. Drivers will eventually fad…

Because Formula 1 - like most other sports - has such a dependence on an athlete's physical fitness to actually express the skill they have, I think it - and most other sports - is rather unlike chess.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#90

:) I wonder how good a random person from HN will be at chess. Let's figure it out - https://lichess.org/0wzDnVfy update: better than me. lol Created a hn tournament (finished): https://lichess.org/tournament/rWPYf1fK Created a second tournament: https://lichess.org/tournament/Wg6CHtmp

Thanks for playing ! Can't believe I made it 2nd, first podium of a tournament for me xD Another haxor created a team we can all join to keep in touch: https://lichess.org/team/hacker-news GLHF ;)

This is great timing. I was thinking about playing some chess again after reminiscing about 286 Battlechess. Thanks.
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