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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based. They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of…

This. Just as every obscenity filter has to have a list of obscenities to work, these creepy bastards will track you to not-track you. We need laws. (Or just let everybody know everything: "Privacy is dead".)

How will laws help against the same thing, but made by unlawful people? I think it's better to accept that privacy in the classic sense is dead and adjust.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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For those of us that aren’t familiar, what exactly is Clearview.ai?

A startup: Face classification and person tracking via photo scraping social media, as a service, offered to law enforcement agencies, and they keep getting hacked.

If they keep scraping does that mean I have to keep opting out?

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Just as every obscenity filter has to have a list of obscenities to work, these creepy bastards will track you to not-track you. We need laws. (Or just let everybody know everything: "Privacy is dead".)

How will laws help against the same thing, but made by unlawful people? I think it's better to accept that privacy in the classic sense is dead and adjust.

Perhaps we could have a group of people whose job it is to investigate and prosecute unlawful behavior.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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I've been wondering the same thing. The photo either belongs to the user or to Facebook, just because it's viewable on the site doesn't give Clearview the right to use it. It must be a violation of the terms of service and I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from Facebook about it.

They say they scraped the open web - so for example this would include many of our personal sites, many of which have profile pictures. For myself, I took the picture on my site, and it's under a: Attribution, NonCommercial, NoDerivatives CC license. I'd argue that 1. Using my/anyone's profile picture in an AI system for profit is commercial use. 2. A neural network is a derivative work of all images used to train th…

So on point 1 I agree with you. I think point 2 is pretty iffy though. Unless there has been some recent legal proceeding that I am unaware of, point 2 isn't true.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#85
post #21

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.

In raw, mathematical black/white terms, yes, I grant that image with my name next to it is technically public. However, uploading a profile portrait is typically intended for someone who searches for your name to determine whether or not a particular URL represents the person they met offline. I have to walk past a security camera to go through a store checkout - my image is in that camera because I want to buy stuff, not because I want my image to be public - and I might present my ID to the clerk because I want to be identified as of age to legally buy alcohol, not because I want the camera to link my face to my name (and my purchase list) or anything creepy like that.

When a person uploads a profile picture or appears in a security camera feed, they typically have an intent that doesn't match Clearview's use case, and an expectation that the stuff that Clearview.ai is trying to do with the image was humanly impossible. Historically, it has been impossible. True, some people are good with faces, and I'm sure some of them work in law enforcement or advertising, but no one can cross-reference 7 billion profile pictures to every security camera on the planet, and remember who went where at what time.

I'd argue that there's a fundamental difference in whether a right does or does not apply based on scale. A human looking at one data point needs to be approached ethically and legislatively differently from a machine looking at a million identical data points, because the use cases are different.

Clearview.ai is trying to make a land grab on human rights, asserting that because the things that they're trying to do have not yet been prohibited (because they're complicated, and because no one realized they were feasible) that they ought to continue to be allowed to do them.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#86
"Your request cannot be accepted because that link is still public." got this message when trying to deindex my image.

Sadly for general public (the rest of the world), you can only "opt out" if your image source was removed.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#87
post #79

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

GDPR puts the picture of a person under special protection. They need to ask for your permission if they want to store and process it. Additionally they are required to provide to you a copy of all information they have stored about you. Probably they claim that they deleted the pictures after they completed the training of their neuronal networks. I'd watch court proceedings, that try to figure out if the auto-encod…

> I'd watch court proceedings, that try to figure out if the auto-encoded version of a picture still is under GDPR protection.

That’d be a fascinating case!

If these were people rather than computers, I don’t think you could ask them to forget a face. But they could be asked to destroy notes or derived work.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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post #82
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A startup: Face classification and person tracking via photo scraping social media, as a service, offered to law enforcement agencies, and they keep getting hacked.

If they keep scraping does that mean I have to keep opting out?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you opt-out, they agree to stop adding to stuff they can identify as yours.

That doesn't stop another company from doing the same. And that's the problem. There are so many companies that we don't know about.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will laws help against the same thing, but made by unlawful people? I think it's better to accept that privacy in the classic sense is dead and adjust.

Perhaps we could have a group of people whose job it is to investigate and prosecute unlawful behavior.

Luckily we already have such group - but they need tools like this to be efficient against the unlawful people wielding that technology. What now?

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#90

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

Here's an easy way to send them a GDPR / CCPA erasure request: https://yourdigitalrights.org/?company=clearview.ai
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