how about Techcrunch, Engadget and Gizmodo owner company? not visiting any of these sites since all of them first redirect you through some advertising tracking domain caught by my ublock, haven't seen any major site doing such shady thing, they would deserve it more
Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
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Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You want me to be fastidious in my representation of his tweets I want you to be honest in addressing what you disagree with. That's it. > this guy who is literally arguing literally just about headlines of articles. That's just not true. He's dug into the contents of the articles both in podcasts and threads like this one (very near what I just shared): https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1228447960008183808
I think I gave a fair representation of what he was saying, if you disagree, you're welcome to actually point at something specific I said that you think doesn't represent him fairly but I can't address just general gripes. So let's take your specific tweet here: He claims recode said : > "cases...have been contained to those who have recently traveled to Wuhan and their direct family members" What recode actually sa…
You can’t be serious claiming you are fairly representing his tweets. Your representation of what he said is a very poor strawman at best. Just as an example, you say Vox is reporting “factually” when the headline literally says “the tech industry is terrified of the coronavirus”. That’s very obviously not factual reporting.
That you’re accusing GP of being disingenuous and claiming the tweeter is strawmanning Vox while you’re strawmanning him to prove that point is just the cherry on top.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes. Tweet author editorialises that Vox is telling them not to. When you describe techies as terrified in the context of handshakes you make them sound terrified of handshakes which makes them look irrational to the average person. When you immediately follow that up with “experts” saying everything is fine you cement the view in the readers mind that t…
Look, as a journalist, what are you supposed to do? You don't actually know much - its not expected that you know everything about everything (who does). So you do journalism. You investigate and replay back your findings. "Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes" Is this a fact, or a lie? Did Vox fabricate this, or did they misconstrue and mislead? "“experts” saying everything is fine" Did…
Vox got a lot wrong, and he goes through all they go wrong on his tweet.
https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1228447944287932416
But more importantly a week before the article came out, he said the article won't be about the very real risk of the coronavirus but about how tech guys are weird. And that's exactly the theme of the article.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes. Tweet author editorialises that Vox is telling them not to. When you describe techies as terrified in the context of handshakes you make them sound terrified of handshakes which makes them look irrational to the average person. When you immediately follow that up with “experts” saying everything is fine you cement the view in the readers mind that t…
Look, as a journalist, what are you supposed to do? You don't actually know much - its not expected that you know everything about everything (who does). So you do journalism. You investigate and replay back your findings. "Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes" Is this a fact, or a lie? Did Vox fabricate this, or did they misconstrue and mislead? "“experts” saying everything is fine" Did…
Well if you want to be a useful journalist you start by not sensationalizing things or carefully framing facts in a way to push a specific narrative.
Being a useful journalist is not profitable though, even when there isn't a pandemic.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
You report things that happen, e.g. crash happened on X road. You can report that "CDC says mask don't work" but if you write it as truth, which Vox stated in January, you are either a parrot or inept. If journalism is just reporting what others say, and not questioning what they say and the underlying assumptions, then it is at best just a weak form of Wikipedia, and at worst a propaganda mechanism. Journalists need…
Mathematicians report 1+1=2. Where do you draw the line? At some point you need to draw the line and say "Actually, my article isn't an expose on the CDC." It's not the job of every journalist at every second to be challenging literally everything. At the end of February the US Surgeon General was not just telling people that masks don't help - he said: > U.S. Surgeon General @Surgeon_General Seriously people- STOP B…
> Mathematicians report 1+1=2. We investigated, and found no credible dissenting voices
That's reporting. Which leads to this:
> WHO and CDC say masks ineffective. We investigated and found the one study they relied on was flawed, as these credible experts who disagree explain.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think I gave a fair representation of what he was saying, if you disagree, you're welcome to actually point at something specific I said that you think doesn't represent him fairly but I can't address just general gripes. So let's take your specific tweet here: He claims recode said : > "cases...have been contained to those who have recently traveled to Wuhan and their direct family members" What recode actually sa…
You can’t be serious claiming you are fairly representing his tweets. Your representation of what he said is a very poor strawman at best. Just as an example, you say Vox is reporting “factually” when the headline literally says “the tech industry is terrified of the coronavirus”. That’s very obviously not factual reporting. That you’re accusing GP of being disingenuous and claiming the tweeter is strawmanning Vox wh…
The tweeter is quite literally strawmanning Vox as he claims Vox is responsible for the coronavirus. That's a textbook definition of a strawman.
And now you appear to be strawmanning him in attempt to defend strawmanning.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can’t be serious claiming you are fairly representing his tweets. Your representation of what he said is a very poor strawman at best. Just as an example, you say Vox is reporting “factually” when the headline literally says “the tech industry is terrified of the coronavirus”. That’s very obviously not factual reporting. That you’re accusing GP of being disingenuous and claiming the tweeter is strawmanning Vox wh…
The tweeter is quite literally strawmanning Vox as he claims Vox is responsible for the coronavirus. That's a textbook definition of a strawman. And now you appear to be strawmanning him in attempt to defend strawmanning.
The tweet’s original text is “Vox & Recode helped cause the greatest crisis in modern US history.”
That is very different from GGP’s interpretation “Vox is responsible for the coronavirus”.
All you provided is further proof that GGP is strawmanning. Thanks
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#88The context is interesting: https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317812260499456 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317824394653697 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317820800086016 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248318363538837504 The same company that considerably increased the damage the virus did in their country is now in financial difficulty as a result. They mocked people for avoiding handshake…
It turns out that all those people who write software and run startups do know better than the so-called experts. In tech everyone sounded the alarm way before. The last day I wasn't SiP was the day Google announced Google Next cancellation. And then for the month that followed, all this crap about masks being worthless and now suddenly they aren't. Turns out a valid epistemological basis becomes more valuable rather…
Maybe in this situation it's simply useful to understand what exponential growth means.
To see numbers go like 1, 2, 4, 8, 16... and react with "oh, this seems really bad" while everyone else is like "16 infected people among how many millions? that's nothing. flu kills more people".
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
About those mask recommendations... Edit: Surgical masks vs respirators. Any advice omitting the distinction is suboptimal . Surgical masks are still useless. Best case is they serve as sneeze guards and visual reinforcement. N95 rated respirators are useful. And in short supply. Since healthcare workers desperately need them and most people don't, their use is currently weakly recommended. Face shields plus respirat…
> Surgical masks are still useless. Not according to the research I've been reading: https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1249698787666399235
I've reread the relevant CDC and Vox recommendations on masks. They both need to updated, to remove ambiguity, to be more strenuous.
Because worksmithing is hard, here's what I proposed to Vox's German Lopez:
"Wide spread mask usage greatly slows the spread of coronavirus.
The combination of masks, social distancing, wide spread testing, temperature screening, contact tracing, and quarantines works.
Everyone should wear masks to protect other people. If you are high risk, wear a N95 respirator to protect yourself. Because healthcare and first responders need more protection than you, please don’t use an N95 until we have a supply surplus.
To clarify the effective difference between respirators and masks: N95 rated respirators are form fitting with better filters, so all air goes thru the filter; while surgical and cloth masks still allow some unfiltered air, they do catch most exhaled airborne water droplets (moisture), effectively slowing the spread."
Thank you again for sharing your find.
Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees
#90I tend to be conservative in my politics, but I hate to see this. If it had to be some liberal publisher, I'd rather that it not be Vox. Vox seems to me to be about as left-leaning as you can get, but they do it quite fairly. Example: Vox was one of the first left-side publications to run articles about Joe Biden's accuser. A lot of other publications stayed away from this story-- some still are-- but Vox bravely ran…
Serious question. Are you confounding left-leaning with lack of journalistic integrity, and conservative news outlets as having integrity?
No, not at all.
I consider most media sources biased (right or left) and also consider them to have various degrees of integrity.
For integrity, I give Vox good credit for running a story that deserves attention but runs counter to their political leanings.