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I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by baybal2 »

ezVoodoo wrote: post #73
baybal2 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. May well be nothing. The gotcha here is not what is being said, but why it is there in the first place.

Why it is there? It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. Then why are you posting here? Is there any particular reason that makes you NOBLE enough to write down your words and show them to people?

你好同志，你在哪里？

Let's have a fruitful conversation

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by yorwba »

ezVoodoo wrote: post #73
baybal2 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. May well be nothing. The gotcha here is not what is being said, but why it is there in the first place.

Why it is there? It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. Then why are you posting here? Is there any particular reason that makes you NOBLE enough to write down your words and show them to people?

> It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet.

baybal2 can be quite trollish, but he gets accused of pro-China bias much more frequently. This is actually the first time where I've seen the opposite accusation.

One time, dang (who moderates the discussion here, in case you're not aware) even commented specifically to defend baybal2 and clarify that he's not a "pro-Chinese agent": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898

Impressions based on single comment threads can be very misleading about the character of individual participants here.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by krageon »

peteretep wrote: post #35
tly_alex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> what's amplified and not amplified

Euphemistically this is generally called spin, and is practised by every large company and every large paper with any kind of state involvement (in a very real sense they all do, even in the west). Criticising a Chinese publication for containing propaganda while being mired in it constantly ourselves is just another example of picking "what's amplified and not amplified", because it's part of a broad push to demonise China (the big scary Other).

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by krageon »

knolax wrote: post #50
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

I find it incredibly ironic that from the current voting patterns we can clearly see that you have a point (yes, it's bad etiquette to refer to voting, but in this case it's topical), even with people claiming that you literally made this up.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by hawkice »

krageon wrote: post #83
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> what's amplified and not amplified Euphemistically this is generally called spin , and is practised by every large company and every large paper with any kind of state involvement (in a very real sense they all do, even in the west). Criticising a Chinese publication for containing propaganda while being mired in it constantly ourselves is just another example of picking "what's amplified and not amplified", becaus…

I think political bias at FOX can diminish their reporting substantially. But government propaganda truly is a different thing. It's as if you are comparing a natural disaster to a genocide - yes, the issue with both is that people die, and humans dying is with us no matter what we do. But even a serial killer acting as maliciously as possible isn't the same as a government dedicated to killing. There exists a meaningful ethical distinction and it's strange to hear people pretend it doesn't matter.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by krageon »

hawkice wrote: post #85
krageon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what's amplified and not amplified Euphemistically this is generally called spin , and is practised by every large company and every large paper with any kind of state involvement (in a very real sense they all do, even in the west). Criticising a Chinese publication for containing propaganda while being mired in it constantly ourselves is just another example of picking "what's amplified and not amplified", becaus…

I think political bias at FOX can diminish their reporting substantially. But government propaganda truly is a different thing. It's as if you are comparing a natural disaster to a genocide - yes, the issue with both is that people die, and humans dying is with us no matter what we do. But even a serial killer acting as maliciously as possible isn't the same as a government dedicated to killing. There exists a meanin…

What I was implying is that the aggregate effect of corporate spin and government pressure is not materially different (in theory or in practice) from what might be happening in China. They're both very very bad and we should talk about how to fix that, what we shouldn't be doing is pointing fingers and pretending one is bad (while neglecting to mention the other).

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by neuronic »

Leary wrote: post #6
redis_mlc wrote: post #2

"Indeed, in our experience, no medicine was particularly useful. Instead, the most effective solution was oxygen. For around 60% of our patients, oxygen saturation was improved by using oxygen masks with a reservoir bag. In more severe cases, we would also use a nasal cannula and an oxygen mask to increase the volume of oxygen."

"One of the first things we noticed was that our COVID-19 patients had a higher tolerance for hypoxia, a kind of oxygen deprivation, than typical viral pneumonia cases." Definitely heard that from doctors in NYC as well. [1] [1]: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928156

Non-medical view: this sounds a bit like a sudden switch is happening at one point.

In COVID-19 cases, large areas of the lungs (article states 60% as an example) may be affected and only mild symptoms experienced until some point in time. Then comes the switch and you have sudden deterioration into critical condition.

In other viral pneumonia cases, more serious symptoms are subjectively experienced earlier, when much less area of the lungs is affected (article says 20% for H1N1).

As if the problem causing breathing trouble is strong in H1N1 from the beginning and suddenly switches on in the affected area for COVID-19 which had time to grow large beforehand.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by pmachinery »

killjoywashere wrote: post #39
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?

It's unfortunate that HN is still plagued with posts like this (and worse) about "Chinese", "China", "CCP" or even "MSS" that would (I hope) not be tolerated for one second if the words were, say, "Jewish", "Israel", "Zionist" or "Mossad".

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by BubRoss »

ngokevin wrote: post #56
killjoywashere wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?

The hatred of China in Western media is amplified to the max. Sometimes I think we're the ones being washed.

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by hawkice »

krageon wrote: post #86
hawkice wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think political bias at FOX can diminish their reporting substantially. But government propaganda truly is a different thing. It's as if you are comparing a natural disaster to a genocide - yes, the issue with both is that people die, and humans dying is with us no matter what we do. But even a serial killer acting as maliciously as possible isn't the same as a government dedicated to killing. There exists a meanin…

What I was implying is that the aggregate effect of corporate spin and government pressure is not materially different (in theory or in practice) from what might be happening in China. They're both very very bad and we should talk about how to fix that, what we shouldn't be doing is pointing fingers and pretending one is bad (while neglecting to mention the other).

Yes, it turns out we disagree.
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