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Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by dang »

teknologist wrote: post #73

I can't quite figure out what's going on with this thread. It seems to have an eerie amount of posts about support for Zoom, perhaps by paid trolls ("wumaos")?

Please don't break the site guidelines by posting insinuations of astroturfing. Overwhelmingly, such perceptions are simply in the eye of the beholder. I say that based on many years of looking at that data, and you can find more explanations here than anyone would ever want to read: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you're worried about this kind of thing, follow the site guidelines and email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. (We always do.) In this case, though, the simplest explanation seems adequate: the community is divided. When there's a popular divisive topic, people who feel strongly for side A always feel like the amount of support for opposing side B is 'eerie', because it's hard to imagine how it could possibly be in good faith. Of course B feels the same way about A.

Edit: oh dear. It seems like you've been using HN mostly for nationalistic battle lately. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop. It's emphatically not what this site is for, regardless of which nations are at issue.

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by ssully »

tmaly wrote: post #78

My company banned the use of Zoom on company computers or computer connecting to the company network. Has anyone else had this happen to them?

No one I know has had it happen yet at their places of work, but I saw a lot of discussion about New York City schools issuing a ban earlier this week [1].

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-city-schools-bannin...

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by lozaning »

remarkEon wrote: post #67
izacus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After agressive sanctions from US government for EU, the targeted EU travel ban and current presidents rhetoric, I have zero trust in any kind of mutual defense or military assistance coming from US in the time of crisis. Remember, people of Italy are currently being helped by Chinese doctors while US president ignores and belittles the problem. The talks between France and Germany about creating an independent defen…

I think I'd be the first to admit that NATO has probably outlived it's useful life as a Cold War construction, but there's still a lot of history there. None of that exists with China, and China seems to be using the crisis in Europe as a means to exert its influence abroad (hello 5G rollout). Does Europe really want to trade that history for a new relationship with a country like China where the structure of that re…

Its been my understanding that what we get in return for having our military everywhere is the continuation of the petro dollar and the usage of the dollar as the world's reserve currency.

I'd be totally open to arguments that we see a negative ROI on this, but I dont think it's necessarily fair to say that we don't get anything out of it.

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by upofadown »

Justsignedup wrote: post #71

and this is why product over security always wins. there's mob mentality right now, but zoom got a TON of customers, and now is gonna have proof of end-to-end encryption in a couple of months. boom. zoom wins. honestly just don't talk on zoom about something highly secretive such as ... idk... something a government is interested in as that isn't currently secure, other than that, don't sweat it.

There is some evidence that they have a form of useless end to end encryption now. Since hardly anyone knows what the prerequisites are for useful e2ee they can probably make the announcement whenever they want.

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by dang »

izacus wrote: post #13
throwaway15392 wrote: post #11

They’re in the same bed as China. I don’t trust them for anything now, this to me is just a PR management exercise. They’re still going to give away your data

China, the best bogeyman to discredit anyone you don't like. Is that the 2020s version of a "commie"?

The GP comment was lazy and provocative, but please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. These are all the same, therefore tedious, therefore off topic here. Also, they get nasty, which breaks the container.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by brobinson »

DenisM wrote: post #26

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole debacle. Zoom could be a victim of the internet mob justice, where every inevitable misstep is blown out of proportion. Perhaps the mob is helped along by some competing interests. Or Zoom could be yet another tech company with dubious ethics (like U: or F). I doubt they are outright a PLA branch, that would be far too obvious. This isn't just idle musings - I love how Zo…

Using AES in ECB mode and doing key exchange on servers in the PRC are not simply "missteps".

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by dang »

throwaway15392 wrote: post #11

They’re in the same bed as China. I don’t trust them for anything now, this to me is just a PR management exercise. They’re still going to give away your data

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? We're hoping for a better quality of discussion than this, and (especially) than what it leads to. Case in point: see below.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by cat199 »

skrebbel wrote: post #52
ergothus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom had the same security issues with half the traffic. Acting like usage causes them is disingenuous. Technically speaking, zoom has shown off great and remarkably stable/scalable features. But that is orthogonal to whether they are putting people at risk (e.g. not-so-secret therapy sessions) or lying about their feature set (clearly claiming to have end to end encryption).

That's a straw man. GP argues that Zoom's increased popularity implies increased public scrutiny. Not that the problems are OK. There's lots and lots of insecure software that Bloomberg doesn't write about. People click on articles about software they use.

if bloomberg broke this (not sure), they are fully known to monetarily reward market-moving stories. sources easily searchable.

If I were a writer/editor working under this policy, making a big stink about a teleconferencing company enjoying huge growth in the current covid 19 climate would be a no brainer.

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by dang »

eanzenberg wrote: post #44
remarkEon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think it doesn't make a difference? At a minimum, one country shares a mutual defense pact with most of Europe. The other doesn't (to say the least).

Don't feed the troll, this person is a Winnie the Pooh shill.

Posting like this will get you banned on HN, regardless of problems with other comments. We've had to warn you about this kind of thing before. Please don't do it again—it's obviously destructive of the values of the site.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Zoom’s 90-day plan to bolster key privacy and security initiatives

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Post by mullen »

tmaly wrote: post #78

My company banned the use of Zoom on company computers or computer connecting to the company network. Has anyone else had this happen to them?

The very large company I work for banned all video conference software except for what is provided by the company. I don't think it is just about security, but make everyone use the same system(s) because it just got too confusing to communicate with other divisions or even departments. You can search for people in other divisions and then video chat with them if you want, or just plain old school voice chat.

Luckily, the software we are required use works pretty well on iOS, Android, OSX and Windows.

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