If this is intended to be a VSCode alternative, where are the download area? Why the strong emphasis on cloud? A version 1.0 with no package released? need top run it on docker? I don't want to sound negative, I would really want to download it an try it... but from what I see in a quick glance, they want me to setup a whole cloud to use this, not how I envision an editor that is trying to take on the most popular ed…
Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
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Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#82Since no one else has brought this up, I think one of the big drivers behind this project is actually another eclipse project (che): https://www.eclipse.org/che/technology/ Che is a cloud ide that is supposed to be easily deployed into a k8s cluster. Che supports authentication and spinning up pods for projects, and other management features. Theia may have been developed to work nicely with Che directly (I am not a…
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that were the case, then coc.nvim [0] wouldn't work quite the way it does. I run VSCode extensions in NeoVim all the time now. [0] https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim
Did I read/you write that correctly? "VSCode extensions in NeoVim"? (Going to be honest, haven't used either since I'm on "plain" vim right now)
https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim/wiki/Install-coc.nvim#r...
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#84Excellent, I found my time sink for today. Another IDE!
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#85OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why switch from VS Code to Codium? For me, it was because I don't want to be spied on by Microsoft. VS Codium is VS Code without the telemetry and tracking.
As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.
My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years.
You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#87OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?
So, avoid the non-existent fees of Microsoft and change them for the non-existent fees of Oracle and IBM. Sold! But seriously, the Eclipse Foundation would be a much trustworthier steward for a wide-used IDE than Microsoft. Unfortunately, Eclipse is in the same situation Firefox was against Chrome 5 years ago: it's slow compared to other Java IDEs like Jetbrain's.
If anyone isn't aware, they track the IP address of that extension and if they can trace it back to your company they then come calling for money. It's basically a sort of litigation honey pot. Sure, it's all legal, but it's such a nasty dark pattern and so easy of a mistake to make for end users that it should be illegal.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#88VSCodium is already here https://vscodium.com/ So in future I need different VSCode variants running because one project decides to use Theia and the other one is okay with VSCode?! Really great for the users :( Seems Eclipse is doing what they are best at: Clutter things up. I don't see the big picture here.
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.
In my opinion, you're doing it either wrong or lazy. My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years. You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.
If feature X is used way less frequently than feature Y, the answer is obvious. If feature Y is used way less frequently than feature X, the answer is obvious. If its a wash, you move on to look at different metrics.
This isn't a hypothetical, I ran this exact scenario yesterday against the VS Code telemetry.
I applied the mitigation, the refactoring is coming next week. :)
Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.
In my opinion, you're doing it either wrong or lazy. My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years. You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.