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Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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If this is intended to be a VSCode alternative, where are the download area? Why the strong emphasis on cloud? A version 1.0 with no package released? need top run it on docker? I don't want to sound negative, I would really want to download it an try it... but from what I see in a quick glance, they want me to setup a whole cloud to use this, not how I envision an editor that is trying to take on the most popular ed…

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Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

#82
post #44

Since no one else has brought this up, I think one of the big drivers behind this project is actually another eclipse project (che): https://www.eclipse.org/che/technology/ Che is a cloud ide that is supposed to be easily deployed into a k8s cluster. Che supports authentication and spinning up pods for projects, and other management features. Theia may have been developed to work nicely with Che directly (I am not a…

terrible name unfortunately

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

#83

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If that were the case, then coc.nvim [0] wouldn't work quite the way it does. I run VSCode extensions in NeoVim all the time now. [0] https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim

Did I read/you write that correctly? "VSCode extensions in NeoVim"? (Going to be honest, haven't used either since I'm on "plain" vim right now)

CoC works just fine in Vim 8+. I just started using it recently, it is fantastic! Highly recommend.

https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim/wiki/Install-coc.nvim#r...

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?

I am guessing the person may not have English as a first language and meant to say 'costs' instead of 'fees'. I am not sure which costs they would be talking about. Perhaps telemetry or the limitations they mention in the article.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Why switch from VS Code to Codium? For me, it was because I don't want to be spied on by Microsoft. VS Codium is VS Code without the telemetry and tracking.

As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.

In my opinion, you're doing it either wrong or lazy.

My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years.

You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

#87

OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?

So, avoid the non-existent fees of Microsoft and change them for the non-existent fees of Oracle and IBM. Sold! But seriously, the Eclipse Foundation would be a much trustworthier steward for a wide-used IDE than Microsoft. Unfortunately, Eclipse is in the same situation Firefox was against Chrome 5 years ago: it's slow compared to other Java IDEs like Jetbrain's.

I wouldn't trust Oracle. Is this going to be like VirtualBox which is "free" and "open source" except for the extension pack on the very same page that you can one click download?

If anyone isn't aware, they track the IP address of that extension and if they can trace it back to your company they then come calling for money. It's basically a sort of litigation honey pot. Sure, it's all legal, but it's such a nasty dark pattern and so easy of a mistake to make for end users that it should be illegal.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

#88

VSCodium is already here https://vscodium.com/ So in future I need different VSCode variants running because one project decides to use Theia and the other one is okay with VSCode?! Really great for the users :( Seems Eclipse is doing what they are best at: Clutter things up. I don't see the big picture here.

Why would any project require a specific kind of editor?

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.

In my opinion, you're doing it either wrong or lazy. My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years. You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.

Why not both? User testing won't help you with questions like "there's a bug in feature X, but the fix will potentially impact feature Y in unforeseen ways. Given we're shipping soon, is it a good idea to apply the fix now or should we apply a much simpler mitigation and postpose the full fix till next iteration so we can get more testing in or even implement a larger refactoring that would resolve this category of bugs by design?"

If feature X is used way less frequently than feature Y, the answer is obvious. If feature Y is used way less frequently than feature X, the answer is obvious. If its a wash, you move on to look at different metrics.

This isn't a hypothetical, I ran this exact scenario yesterday against the VS Code telemetry.

I applied the mitigation, the refactoring is coming next week. :)

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.

In my opinion, you're doing it either wrong or lazy. My company doesn't do telemetry. We do actual user testing with actual users, even to the point of shadowing them as they use the product. The same way it's been done for the last 40 years. You learn more from interfacing with the wetware than you do grepping logs.

They don't have to be mutually exclusive, do they? You can surely learn some things from large-scale telemetry collection that you can't learn from user studies (e.g., semi-representative "in the wild" performance metrics).
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