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Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by tonyarkles »

justin66 wrote: post #41
nordsieck wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and…

That's honestly not much of a counterexample, since you're talking about a 260hp car. Good on him for doing as well as he did, but it seems unlikely he'd be physically able to handle a Formula 1 car at all. The thing you have to remember is that it takes a demanding and specialized workout routine to get an experienced race car driver to the point where they can hold their head up through a turn in an F1 car. Some of…

Watching the formula one show on prime was pretty enlightening as far as physical training goes. He spent a lot of time in the gym maintaining his body.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by semerda »

nordsieck wrote: post #27
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

> As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and…

Hahaha racing on an empty track in a car that’s built to handle like a go cart is nothing like the stress of a circuit race with other cars.

I used to race my modified turbo 500hp and I can tell you that game racing is nada to real life racing. Even knowing that taking a risk can cost you $$$ or your life is stressful enough.

With other cars on the track it’s many more variables to calculate and consider.

So let’s not kid ourselves. The delta is larger than one can anticipate without even factoring the physical stresses.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by austinl »

W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

Another counterpoint (although I totally understand where this sentiment comes from):

Pro Gran Turismo players have been banned from competing as gentlemen drivers because they're too good.

For folks not familiar with the concept of a "gentleman driver", there are plenty of racing series that pair amateur drivers with pro drivers to compete in teams. Historically, the gentleman driver provided the funding for the team. These were wealthy enthusiasts who were often quite good, but not good enough to be professional.

However, it's not actually required that the gentlemen driver fund the team. This encouraged teams to seek out the best non-pro drivers possible, which in this case, happened to be some pro Gran Turismo players.

https://jalopnik.com/expert-gran-turismo-drivers-cant-race-i...

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by irjustin »

nordsieck wrote: post #27
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

> As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and…

I wish they posted his times vs expected racers who compete at that level instead of "sickly boy does better and better."

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by [deleted] »

antientropic wrote: post #33
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

On the contrary: there is probably no sport where the sim is so close to the real thing. Being good at FIFA 19 in no way will make you good at real football. But if you put a decent sim racer in a real race car, they are often able to put together a decent lap pretty quickly. See for instance some of Jimmy Broadbent's recent adventures in real-life racing. Conversely, real-life drivers tend to be good at simracing (e…

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Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by dumbfoundded »

puredata wrote: post #86

Correction, it's not the only e-sport that translates well. Much smaller scale but FPV Drone racing is heavily practiced on simulators as well and skillsets translate to one another pretty well.

Any sport involving any sort of physical contact is really difficult. The sports without are pretty easy to do while following CDC recommendations: poker, chess, golf, bowling, racing, biking.

Sports like track & field are somewhat in the middle but they're just timed. It would be feasible to just have people do these alone in standardized conditions with a single moderator.

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Post by galkk »

cosmodisk wrote: post #40
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

I always sucked at driving games. Obviously,I could do the racing, however, I always struggled to understand how on earth it's so difficult to do it really well. I haven't played any racing games for at least 10 years.Darn it,I only drove a real car a few times.Then, a few months ago all my team from work went to do electric Go-Kart. Some of them do drive cars,some did a fair share of Go-Kart driving and etc.I think…

There's also a chance that you've got lucky with a car. Sometimes the cars at Go-Carts vary a lot with a power. On my last team meeting everyone on a car #6 was winning. It was just much faster than everybody else.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

antientropic wrote: post #33
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

On the contrary: there is probably no sport where the sim is so close to the real thing. Being good at FIFA 19 in no way will make you good at real football. But if you put a decent sim racer in a real race car, they are often able to put together a decent lap pretty quickly. See for instance some of Jimmy Broadbent's recent adventures in real-life racing. Conversely, real-life drivers tend to be good at simracing (e…

FPV Drone Racing is a good contender I'd say. DRL uses the simulations as qualifiers for real life events.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by stale2002 »

n4r9 wrote: post #48
tc313 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no real control variable, though, so it's hard to tell how well he really did. But, of course, the simulation is something like the real thing and is better than no preparation at all.

Exactly. It could be that this guy was just born to be a real racing driver but never realised until too late, or just didn't want that career. And that a good racing driver is likely to be a good simulation player.

Or maybe the simpler example is that simulations do indeed provide some pretty good experience for at least some parts of the real thing, lol.
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