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Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by rolltiide »

sanedigital wrote: post #3

Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

This level of granularity would be great for the contacts permission.

I don’t let any app get my contacts or my phone number anymore. They are too greedy with mine and others now.

If I could choose a subset of my social graph based on context I would.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

amelius wrote: post #57
8fingerlouie wrote: post #54

It's fine. Personally, any app that insists on spamming me with adds is not worth my time, and i replace it with "something" else that fits the bill. The same goes for apps that have subscription models, apps that require access to gps/microphone/etc without an explicit need for it. I've replaced about 20 such apps in the past couple of years. I understand that not everybody is willing to make that move, but everybod…

Sounds nice in theory, except: network effects.

As i said, i understand not everybody is willing. I personally am willing to do it for the most part.

There are of course apps/services where it's not practical, like facebook which seems to have become the worlds social life agenda, and even my kids school posts arrangements through facebook.

That doesn't mean that Facebook has the run of my phone, in fact i don't even have the app. I use the web interface along with content blockers (1Blocker) and PiHole/PFBlockerNG on my network.

Almost every service has some option to at least limit your exposure.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by rtkaratekid »

aguyfromnb wrote: post #79

Judging by the number defenders of advertising every time one of these sorts of threads shows up on HackerNews, it's astonishing to me how many people's livings are dependent on this garbage.

I’m amazed as well! Notifications are like permission for strangers to interrupt my life at their leisure. I don’t want their coupons, their announcements, their... whatever else. I’ve got important things in my life that I want to give my attention to and the last thing I need is a direct line into my pocket, desk, and home to try and get my attention. To me this sounds like a dystopian society where ad agencies rule the world. I recognize that not everyone is as extreme as me, but why can’t we agree that such notifications are not the best thing for us?

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by Angostura »

Tepix wrote: post #23

As a consumer, i uninstall such apps. One example is the german „KaufDa“ app which was quite useful to me. I complained about the unwanted push messages and their support pretended to be dumb. I ended up uninstalling it. Only if consumers refuse to accept these annoyances it will stop.

Now you will be able to use the app but not opt-in to promotional junk.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by Angostura »

JensRex wrote: post #18

How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.

> There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.

From what I can see, you will have to opt in to see these alerts, so that's pretty beneficial if companies start separating junk alerts out.

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Post by have_faith »

ajscanlan wrote: post #45
onion2k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've uninstalled lots of apps when they've sent coupons via notifications. Notifications are to notify me about things I need to act on. They are not a marketing channel. So, yes.

If you had the option to block the marketing notifications but still receive the important ones, would you do that?

As long as this option is presented before attempting to display any push ads, and not after.

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Post by Hamuko »

JimDabell wrote: post #39
ChrisRR wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I mostly agree that this would be abused, I disagree that there's no scenario where this is beneficial. It's like email updates from online retailers. I unsubscribe from the majority of them, but I allow a couple of retailers I like to send me promotions.

> It's like email updates from online retailers. I unsubscribe from the majority of them, but I allow a couple of retailers I like to send me promotions. Notifications are for when you need to know about something immediately and it's okay to interrupt you for it. How many of these retailers do you want that from? What's the benefit for the end-user over an email?

I don't see the drawback compared to email considering my email has push notifications.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by rekoil »

fmajid wrote: post #48
amelius wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then these apps would be removed from the app store, I suppose.

Apple's enforcement of the app store rules is sporadic at best, specially the widespread abuse of notifications for marketing.

But perhaps the reason they have been so lax in enforcing that particular rule is because they know they are doing it themselves in their own apps, and didn't want to attract lawsuits?

If so, now that they are introducing this new functionality they might start looking more carefully at notification system abuse.

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