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Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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Rather than being hard coded in the law the Copyright Office can add or remove them, however, just because something is not explicitly permitted does not mean it's automatically illegal. The intent seems clear "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." And the important bits: (2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public,…

As long as his work is not directly setup so people can pirate content I really don't see how you could read the law you quoted and reach that conclusion. If you post a tool that breaks DRM and you don't fit into one of the very narrow exemptions (and geohot doesn't), then you broke the law. It doesn't matter if you intended the tool for piracy or if it was "set up for piracy" or if anyone ever used the tool for pira…

I am not a layer and judges can make arbritrary rueling that get overturned. But, with my fairly limited background I would like to suggest you think of the the law as a fuzzy logic problem not a Boolean one. If (A)(B)(C) are each 40-60% true a judge will often rule basted on the assumed intent of the law and without clear precedence the side with the better argument tends to win. So the question becomes in what ways do each side present the situation and attack each others arguments.

Inference: "Circumvent" means to bypass or disable so any method that disables protection must therefore also "Circumvent" it.

Rebuttal : If "circumvent" implied simply disable then you would not be able to turn a PS3 off or damage it. Melting down old PS3's and selling them for scrap and novelty bookshelves would destroy the DMCA protection, but the modified device is not going to break copyright law.

Counter Inference: That's an argument from absurdity we are not arguing about an inter object but a device capable of running copyrighted software illegally.

Counter Rebuttal: A 300$ general purpose computer may also run come copyrighted software illegally. However both the modified PS3 and the cheap computer run the same range of Sony's protected software without significant further modifications. We can even demonstrate that running PS1 games is simpler on the computer.

etc on down the rabbit hole.

Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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Uh, yeah, I quoted that exemption. But it is NOT an absolute right. If you jailbreak an iPhone for the purpose of e.g. using pirated apps (which I imagine many people are) then you are committing a crime even if you haven't pirated anything yet.

absolutely! if you look back you can see that geohot never intended to enable piracy on the platform

The PS3 isn't a phone. The exemption doesn't apply.

Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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absolutely! if you look back you can see that geohot never intended to enable piracy on the platform

The PS3 isn't a phone. The exemption doesn't apply.

Correct, the argument, and also the reason he should be supported, is that it should be. We bought it, we should do with it as we wish (as long as it's not causing financial loss due to piracy etc).

Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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absolutely! if you look back you can see that geohot never intended to enable piracy on the platform

The PS3 isn't a phone. The exemption doesn't apply.

Doesn't apply yet because it's never been tested in court. The parallel is pretty strong so there's a good chance that the courts would extend it if they ever got as far as ruling on it.

Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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Just donated. I wish there was someone better than Paypal for this; I can't see any good reason why it should take several tries for me to guess my own phone number. "Please enter a valid telephone number" is NOT a helpful error message!

The error message may not be helpful but it also is worded to stop attackers from narrowing down the possible phone numbers to use.

ex. they tell you the number starts with a 9. The attacker cuts the number of phone numbers to try in a brute force attempt.

Yes, there are better ways to do this but this method works to an extent and for most people it is quite easy to remember their phone number.

Re: Geohot seeking donations for legal defense against Sony.

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The PS3 isn't a phone. The exemption doesn't apply.

Correct, the argument, and also the reason he should be supported, is that it should be. We bought it, we should do with it as we wish (as long as it's not causing financial loss due to piracy etc).

Hey, I'm totally with you. But just because you don't like a law doesn't make it not a law. I think the DMCA is here to stay unless and until Congress fixes it.

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The PS3 isn't a phone. The exemption doesn't apply.

Doesn't apply yet because it's never been tested in court. The parallel is pretty strong so there's a good chance that the courts would extend it if they ever got as far as ruling on it.

I really hope the defense argument doesn't hinge on proving the PS3 is a cell phone.

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Doesn't apply yet because it's never been tested in court. The parallel is pretty strong so there's a good chance that the courts would extend it if they ever got as far as ruling on it.

I really hope the defense argument doesn't hinge on proving the PS3 is a cell phone.

It won't, I'd imagine it will hinge on the same arguments that were used to get the exemption for the cell phone.
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