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Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by alfromspace » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:39 PM UTC

glitchc wrote: post #64

sneak wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&…

The Wiki article makes it hard to feel bad for this guy.

If someone becomes a NAZI after being tossed in jail for no good reason, well hey, fuck em'.

How about we stop justifying hurting people because of their (in this case retroactive) violations of social/political norms and worry more about if our society itself is tolerable and is, in fact, sometimes perfectly deserving of extreme reactions.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

kube-system wrote: post #61

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #54

Do I have a first amendment right to sell pirated Disney cartoons? on edit: obviously not because I'm not in the U.S but if I were?

US courts recognize many exceptions to the first amendment. IP rights fall into that category.

Which rather demolishes the telecoms' argument.

Clearly, the First Amendment right to free speech isn't absolute and unrestricted.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by aswanson » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:40 PM UTC

This is insane.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by pnutjam » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:41 PM UTC

I'm just going to leave this here, seems relevant:

https://movetoamend.org/

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by jayd16 » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

willis936 wrote: post #73

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reset your credit completely... in the eyes of the corporations, you don't exist.

I simply do not believe that one piece of legislation could accomplish this. This is how money makes money. It will not stop for the law.

No credit is already somewhat worse than bad credit so I don't quite see it as implausible.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by fl0wenol » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:48 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #38

gruez wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?

You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&…

Please let's not use weev as a cautionary tale.

The guy had been baiting people to clock him in the face for his anti-social behavior on the internet since forever. I don't think it was what he did to AT&T that got him sent up, he'd been on the feds' radar since at least the Sarah Palin email hack.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:48 PM UTC

DailyHN wrote: post #19

Panino wrote: post #15

The big telcos have always been horrible and they will never change. I used to work for a small provider in that industry and always hated USWest because of that experience. They will never change as long as they exist, whatever name they go by. Good to see Maine has a law protecting privacy. I agree with other commenters that this kind of law should be broad-spectrum, affecting all businesses from telcos to lemonade…

I would love to see a playbook on making that happen.

You might be interested in reading https://startyourownisp.com/.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by krapp » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:52 PM UTC

alfromspace wrote: post #81

glitchc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wiki article makes it hard to feel bad for this guy.

If someone becomes a NAZI after being tossed in jail for no good reason, well hey, fuck em'. How about we stop justifying hurting people because of their (in this case retroactive) violations of social/political norms and worry more about if our society itself is tolerable and is, in fact, sometimes perfectly deserving of extreme reactions.

No. Society doesn't need to worry about whether it's tolerant enough of "nazis" (or any hateful, violent, extremist ideologues), nor do we all need to realize that our collective failure to be adequately sympathetic towards "nazis" justifies their extremism. The "nazis" are not the real victims here. They deserve the social and political punishment they get.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by kazagistar » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:54 PM UTC

alfromspace wrote: post #81

glitchc wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wiki article makes it hard to feel bad for this guy.

If someone becomes a NAZI after being tossed in jail for no good reason, well hey, fuck em'. How about we stop justifying hurting people because of their (in this case retroactive) violations of social/political norms and worry more about if our society itself is tolerable and is, in fact, sometimes perfectly deserving of extreme reactions.

Agreed, especially because the jail is the psychological harm that triggers a lot of follow up awfulness for people.

Re: Telecoms say they have a First Amendment right to sell private data

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Post by programbreeding » Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 7:56 PM UTC

DailyHN wrote: post #19

Panino wrote: post #15

The big telcos have always been horrible and they will never change. I used to work for a small provider in that industry and always hated USWest because of that experience. They will never change as long as they exist, whatever name they go by. Good to see Maine has a law protecting privacy. I agree with other commenters that this kind of law should be broad-spectrum, affecting all businesses from telcos to lemonade…

I would love to see a playbook on making that happen.

Step 1 would be living in a state where it's even legal to create a municipal ISP [0], since all the big guys have lobbied to try and make it illegal.

[0] https://broadbandnow.com/report/municipal-broadband-roadbloc...