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Colonialism and imperialism's tower of human skulls for Leopold II is 50 million skulls alone.
Was anyone celebrating Colonialism anywhere in this thread?
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#82One surreal aspect of the modern system, when viewed from the perspective of 1800s leftism, is that there are many programmers (laborers, technically) who have more money than the average landlord. How do you draw the pyramid then?
In fairness, the programmers you are talking about are not (laborers). They would own non trivial amounts of stock making them members of the capital class. Yes, they do work, but so do lots of members of the capital class. A programmer who is not also a landlord, nor a member of the capital class, is very unlikely to have more, or even as much, wealth as a typical landlord in their area. A pure laborer is pretty muc…
Owning non-trivial amounts of stock doesn't make one into a capitalist, if that income is supplementary to wages - i.e. if one must still work to earn a living. That is the case for the vast majority of programmers.
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Except the same is true for non capitalist systems so it would not have been relevant. In socialism the poor are even more numerous compared to the favored few from the party in power. Inequality is not a capitalism only issue.
I love how people who support capitalism always draw it in opposition to dictatorial socialism, implying that the democratic socialism we see in many European countries is impossible to achieve or non-existent. It's one of the most simple logical fallacies -- the strawman. Everyone should have learned about this in high school at the latest, yet there are plenty of very smart people on HN touting this viewpoint. It's…
European countries don't have democratic socialism. They have social democracy, which is still a capitalist economy, just with more of its output redirected into welfare.
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#84The sad thing is that with a few changes (swap the top tier for politburo, next tier for the communist party, etc.) a similar pyramid applies to communism.
If you mean USSR, then no, not really. While it was stratified, the privileges that those at the top enjoyed were not as far divorced from the life of an average citizen as the lifestyle enjoyed by the wealthy Western elites. The major factor was that all those benefits were formally perks of one's job and position, not something you could just buy for private use. And so, while nepotism was very much a thing, and ensured that children of the elites would inherit those positions, even well-connected families were limited in their ability to accumulate generational wealth.
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Why is this even so high on HN? This isn't interesting news -- it's both a wikipedia page and propaganda. We're told to eschew flamebait in comments, but not for submissions? Flag this. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-top…
is it propaganda because you don't like the message?
It's propaganda because it's trying to advance a political or ideological agenda by influencing the audience through an emotional argument. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that - any successful political ideology does this, because that's how you organize mass movements.
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Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
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Is it considered kosher here to post a link in a comment after it was flagged and made dead? Seems like you’re trying to circumvent HN’s system.
And you are one of the people who said it should be removed!
Yes, that’s how obeying the rules and operating within the system works.
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None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way!
It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.
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Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It's tedious, repetitive, and not what this site is for. It also inevitably turns nasty.
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Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. It's tedious, repetitive, and not what this site is for. It also inevitably turns nasty.