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When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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The credit card machines are probably set up to prompt the waiter for a tip. This is a common feature on POS systems, regardless of whether its sold in USA or Turkey.

Naturally all the machines support it, but it's up to the owner of the business whether to enable that feature or not.

Many don't even bother to turn the feature off ..

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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I think it takes a very conscious effort for a society to get to that stage. In some countries, you see individual greed being pushed to crazy extremes. Notwithstanding dictatorships, some politicians are willingly and wittingly sacrificing millions of people for a single individual objective. But I think the latter is the default position of humanity. The opposite is also a problem: When you justify every action as…

Also smaller countries are more peaceful. I'm curious if Finland had over 100m population, how it would become.

I think that is a fair observation, but there is nothing stopping us (well, maybe there are things stopping us) from organising bigger countries into smaller autonomous regions. I think larger countries do not scale well socially to having a single governing body. It works for a lot of things, especially economies of scale for industries and competition perhaps, but I think the best leaders and leadership situations warrant for personal interaction and personal knowledge.

What I also like about this is that it makes leadership a more natural progression where you might say: "I know this person, they are taking my concerns seriously and have our interests at heart." With Trump for example, I would be skeptical of anyone who thinks that he can possibly have all of their individual concerns at heart. And this is not just about Trump himself, but about inherent properties of the US in general. But I guess the question of whether Trump is there because of the US being a big country with inherent populist risks is a good question. One could ask the same question of many presidents before him and so too of presidents of other large countries.

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Swiss here: can relate. Specifically American tourists get confused if there is no tip possibility offered with carding machines.

As an American moving to Switzerland, I knew tipping was uncommon, so initially, I didn’t. Now I’ve settled on the “round up” method to save everyone counting coins (round up to the next nice number, so no more than 2-5CHF). Am I doing it wrong?

You are doing it exactly right.

Exceptions are when you spend a long time and things (service, ambiance, whatever) stand out to you and your party: then feel welcome to tip whatever you like.

But an important observation is that here money is respected. 0,10 0,50 1,00 it is all treated with respect. This is why "overtipping" is frowned upon.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Not sure about Finland but my native Norway pops up in these kinds of discussions frequently as well. Moving to Norway is in fact relatively easy as long as you get a job which requires some kind of higher education or special skill. You cannot move to Norway just to flip burgers. But you can move to Norway as say a sushi chef or geologist. I would expect Finland as a fellow Nordic country to be similar. The reason w…

Norwegians pretend they don't care about a status symbols, but the reality is very different. You'll see many high-end cars and people walking around with designer bags and clothes, even teenagers. For a month prior to the 17th of May you'll also see teenagers spend obscene amounts of money fitting out a bus to drive around the city drinking and annoying everyone with horrible music. --It may seem normal to you, but…

Of course, people care about status all over the world. We are not an entirely different species. It is a question of relative difference. Compared to how wealthy Norway actually is, there is relatively little display of wealth. Compare to something like Hong Kong, Moscow or the Gulf States.

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Not sure about Finland but my native Norway pops up in these kinds of discussions frequently as well. Moving to Norway is in fact relatively easy as long as you get a job which requires some kind of higher education or special skill. You cannot move to Norway just to flip burgers. But you can move to Norway as say a sushi chef or geologist. I would expect Finland as a fellow Nordic country to be similar. The reason w…

You're forgetting English. Learning a foreign language is really hard and many people learn English as school/by listening to music/by watching movies/TV series/etc. Few people want to go through the hassle of learning another foreign language.

Yes that is a key issue, but most people don't even get to the point of investigating the language situation. You don't have to learn Norwegian to live and work in Norway. I have friends who have lived here for over 10 years who can barely say a word of Norwegian.
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