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Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by dkersten »

Thaxll wrote: post #63
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious, does anyone know what that means specifically? How can they differentiate normal traffic from malicious traffic? What exactly triggers it? Is a ping flood with a slow (50mbits) internet connect enough? I am aware that the details are mostly likely private to protect them from abuse and are also a trade secret but I have a very hard time to find a general approach that might be similar to their solution?

It's much more advanced than you think : custom asics etc...

Source?

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by voidfunc »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #70
voidfunc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better marketing from DO. There strategy of content marketing with how-to guides has been massively successful. Personally, think DO has a more pleasant UX too.

DO has been posting (or rather, spamming IMHO) /r/golang with fluff like "how to use switch statement in Go". You know, the sort of articles that someone who learned Go a week ago can write.

As a former marketing co-worker once told me: marketing is pretty much just standing around flapping your arms to get attention.

The content might be dumb, but it drives eyeballs and you remember DO.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by ksec »

mekster wrote: post #47
ksec wrote: post #43

Nice. Apart from the security incident that took place long time ago, are there any reason why everyone is going straight to DO instead of Linode? For a long time Linode has had better features, performance and bandwidth. It wasn't until recently DO had Managed DB and many other additions. Linode's High Memory Plan also has much better Memory : CPU Ratio. Still waiting for their CDN, ( Not sure why they are not expos…

Who is "everyone"? Linode has been my primary choice over DO for some years.

Pretty much Reddit and HN Sentiment. And if you look at the growth of DO it is apparent DO is outgrowing its competitors.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by codingmess »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #70
voidfunc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better marketing from DO. There strategy of content marketing with how-to guides has been massively successful. Personally, think DO has a more pleasant UX too.

DO has been posting (or rather, spamming IMHO) /r/golang with fluff like "how to use switch statement in Go". You know, the sort of articles that someone who learned Go a week ago can write.

Their server admin guides seem to be good, though. Whenever I google for how to do x things, their articles tend to come up. (I'm not a professional admin, obviously)

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by pansa2 »

dylz wrote: post #21
Something1234 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how does that actually work? Doesn't AWS charge an arm and a leg for traffic?

Basic volumetric - which is what the smaller providers can't handle, AWS can eat easily. I don't believe I've been charged for this type of attack. The one you should look out for if you are new to AWS and trying to do this "trick" is L7 repeated downloads of high-file-size content to consume your budget rapidly.

> L7 repeated downloads of high-file-size content to consume your budget rapidly.

How an one protect against this type of attack?

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by latch »

ryanlol wrote: post #65
latch wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't just Linode (a provider that's generally much cheaper than OVH), but high end providers like Softlayer too (and, as far as I know, still are)

How is Linode “much cheaper than OVH”? Their margins are probably way higher.

Linode's origin is as a VPS provider. OVH's is as a dedicated server provider. OVH's top server is twice the cost of Linode's and their cheapest is 5x the price (10 vs ~50).

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by buro9 »

djsumdog wrote: post #23
pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

You start using GCP/AWS/Azure, you're going to start using managed databases, security groups, etc. These are really nice. They can save you a lot of time as a startup. ... They are incredibly difficult to migrate. If you use terraform, it does support GCP/AWS/Azure/DO/Vultr, but you'll have to rewrite everything for each provider. For really simple providers (just a VM; in AWS, just EC2) you can still write all your…

> Now we see Linode offering DDOS (maybe saving you money from paying CloudFlare)?

I work for Cloudflare, and we do not charge you money for our DDoS protection. It's free and included on every plan level including our free level, and the protection you get is equal to the protection our enterprise customers get.

In other product features we have we also work hard to make sure we do not charge you for any bad traffic, i.e. our HTTP rate limiting product has the pricing structure designed so that you aren't paying for the traffic stopped by it.

Pricing really isn't the issue here, but where Linode and other hosts adding DDoS protection helps is in the scenarios where your origin / host IP or provider is known. In those scenarios attackers may directly attack the host.

Just as elsewhere in security, you are as strong as your weakest link, and I am really pleased to see hosting companies expand their DDoS protection.

The various disclaimers: I am the engineering manager for DDoS protection at Cloudflare, and I run a little farm of machines at Linode :) I'm happy on both fronts with this announcement from Linode.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by EugeneOZ »

thrwaway69 wrote: post #25
pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

Cost and ease of development by not throwing thousand of options in front of your screen. Last time, I checked GCP costed me $26 (+ hidden charges) for the same I could get on many other places for $7. Some of them provide instant customer support too and are better because it's not an outsourced customer center in India or other places. Check out: vultr: https://www.vultr.com Scaleway: https://www.scaleway.com/en/ O…

It's not "the same". GCP network quality and performance is much better.
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