“Dropped dead” is, if you ask me, a disrespectful term To dying or passing away. Im not sure why i have a problem with it, but i do.
"dropped his head" != "dropped dead"
A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want what you have said to be true, but I think there are upper limits we can reach that prevent us from really ever being the arbiters of our own death. That which allows us to become living, must also force us to become nothing, death is the necessity for life, and life is the necessity for death. Skipping death, means skipping life. If every human that ever lived could live forever, would we have been bor…
Why shouldn’t we ask that without eternal life? > Seeing how I change with years, I’d like to live to 200-500-1000 years old. Not because I want to live so bad, but because this is a frightening distance that is a completely wild territory for us to imagine. I’ll watch that movie (if not yet), thanks for the reference. Everything I watched before was pretty “same person tired and/or mindless”-centric, like interview…
It's probably the strongest part about the movie — it deals with perspective of immortality from a mortal's perspective in a very realistic way, which is normally thrown by the wayside for more simplier tropes in entertainment. Not that it's wrong to like that, it's just hard to find something that doesn't these days. It comes across more like a well written hard sci-fi story, yet it's mostly just a group of people talking.
It left me thinking about immortality from a normal human's perspective for a long time. He explains how it changed him, and where he started from. It's very compelling in my opinion.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.
A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…
1. It won't effect it. Considering that the entire current human population could fit into France or Germany at about the same density as some parts in SE Asia. Not saying this is desirable. But consider how many people could live in the entire solar system? Ultimately in intergalactic space:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQliI_WGaGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojEq-tTjcc0
2. Any neuroplasticity loss due to biological aging is itself accumulated damage which will have to be repaired as part of life extension.
3. Human evolution is now overwhelmingly the evolution not of genes but of ideas/culture/memes.
4. That's for an individual to decide. At the moment there are plenty of old people who can apparently think of no reason to live but they hide the fact. They are in effect waiting around to die. They eventually go to hospital and care home for a few years before death which entails a fair bit of suffering and costs a lot of money. This is a sad and somewhat cruel situation in my opinion.
5. I bet that the cheapest way to treat things like heart disease and cancer will turn out to be life extension technology (i.e. damage repair). So you may have to decide not to get treatment for things which are currently routinely treated by conventional means. Of course you might still fall down the stairs...
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#84That's how any sane person would want to go. It's funny[.] how much time and money and effort goes in to keeping aged people alive in conditions that are terrible. Do what you love, and go out on top. [.]appalling
I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.
I'm pretty happy about the fact that everyone has an expiration date built in. I know of very few people in power who don't start abusing their power in some way eventually.
Eventual death puts some limits on the amount of bad things one person can do.
Many organisations suffer from their geriatric leaders, who have amassed too many followers and too much power over the years. But at some point they die, and there's place for change.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want what you have said to be true, but I think there are upper limits we can reach that prevent us from really ever being the arbiters of our own death. That which allows us to become living, must also force us to become nothing, death is the necessity for life, and life is the necessity for death. Skipping death, means skipping life. If every human that ever lived could live forever, would we have been bor…
> One person living forever is not really be a big deal. But everyone? I think any society that is capable of letting humans live forever — on the scales being discussed — would probably be virtualizing sentiences instead of relying on wasteful fleshy bodies. Living via a human body would be a novelty experience, a vacation, a limiting of capabilities and senses. Essentially, I think your point would be mostly mute b…
For sure, you might very well be right. Atleast I would hope so, or else it would probably be immoral, which is really what I was attempting to say.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want what you have said to be true, but I think there are upper limits we can reach that prevent us from really ever being the arbiters of our own death. That which allows us to become living, must also force us to become nothing, death is the necessity for life, and life is the necessity for death. Skipping death, means skipping life. If every human that ever lived could live forever, would we have been bor…
> enough space, enough resources Have you looked at the universe lately? There are enough resources out there that every human being currently alive could easily have thousands of civilizations of their own, even making very conservative extrapolations regarding the true energy use of a human mind.
When engaging with hypotheticals we tend to want to ascertain whether it's inherently good or bad.
For instance, imagine a hypothetical about whether or not it's safe to shoot someone in the chest, we wouldn't say it's safe simply because they could wear a bullet-proof vest, we would have to ask 'what are the odds that they are going to be wearing a bullet-proof vest'.
Personally I would assume that in technological terms stopping aging is somewhere below being able to harvest the large amount resources in space safely and efficiently. But I could be wrong.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#87I hope he still performed at his age because he enjoyed it, and not like late Dick Dale, because he had to.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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If I show you a machine that people step into and are then brought out the other side on a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain then I suppose you would take that offer, however there is a leap between the two states that cannot be conclusively proven. How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
> How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in. If we could solve this today we would already be well on the way immortality! But there are some theories, the most prominent of which is a Moravec Transfer[1]: > A neuron-sized robot swims up to a neuron and scans it into memory. A computer starts simulating the neuron. The robot waits until the neuron perfectly matches its simul…
Ok, but in the black mirror episode I think we should have each neuron's worth of processing done in the Cloud owned by Google. Then they shut it down.
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
#89That's how any sane person would want to go. It's funny[.] how much time and money and effort goes in to keeping aged people alive in conditions that are terrible. Do what you love, and go out on top. [.]appalling
Speak for yourself. I want to live for as long as I have even brief moments of lucidity. I don't believe in an afterlife, I intend to savor everything I am receiving. One of my biggest fear is that people fail to appreciate that I value more existence than the absence of suffering and may take a very bad decision for me at one point.
My wife was a palliative care nurse. She has seen hundreds of patients in the late stages of their lives. She has always told me she wants to go well before she reaches that stage and has a do not resuscitate order.
I would imagine many other nurses and doctors would feel the same way. You may want to expose yourself to people who only have "brief moments of lucidity" otherwise be careful what you wish for or you might receive it.
https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2011/11/30/how-doctors-di...
Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage
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Does this happen in young, healthy individuals? I was reading the Wikipedia article linked in another thread [1], and several of the "sudden" deaths were people in their 40s that appear to have been healthy. Do you feel symptoms, eg. during exercise, that you should listen to so as to inform you to stop whatever activity you're doing? Feeling light-headed, short of breath, blurry vision, etc.? I run and also perform…
I think some people are born with heart defects that can result in sudden cardiac death as a young adult. Also strokes. In half a century I doesn't know of any friends or friends that had that happen. But then again I know of three people that died when the car they were working on fell off the jack.
> But then again I know of three people that died when the car they were working on fell off the jack.
Yikes. I had my car fall off once when I was standing next to it getting ready to go under. Now I put two sets of jackstands under it, and give the car a hard shake first.