Luhmann's Zettelkasten • Hacker News Board

Re: Luhmann's Zettelkasten

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Post by mycall » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 2:41 AM UTC

tunesmith wrote: post #50

It's unclear whether being able to insert a new identifier within an existing list of identifiers is a feature. That might just be a byproduct of needing to put the new card into a related area. The Zettelkasten.de software appears to be pushing concepts that would have been impossible in Luhmann's system. Ultimately it seems that all these information systems are just different implementations of nodes, edges, and c…

I have thought for years that mindmapping could be way more mainstream but I never seen a useful UI. You are absolutely right, a DAG makes most sense.. it could even be multidimensional. Main problem with UI is the > 2D nature of connected data. All of the maps I've seen with wikipedia is insane to transverse.

I was thinking a textual based system would be easier to version control and source, maybe something similar to mermaid [0].

[0] https://mermaidjs.github.io

Re: Luhmann's Zettelkasten

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Post by darkpicnic » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 3:28 AM UTC

chrisweekly wrote: post #61

darkpicnic wrote: post #5

Zettelkasten has to be the least explained concept I've discovered online. Sure, they'll explain the _technique_ of it, but I've almost never seen any solid examples of it in _use_. I was so excited when I first heard of it, but I'm a person that learns by seeing examples and I couldn't find any good ones anywhere. Does anyone have any good examples they've seen?

I've had precisely your reaction, and am stoked to share my enthusiasm for Roam ( https://roamresearch.com ) -- a graph-based system for codex / memex / personal knowledge-base / zettelkasten++

I checked out Roam (thanks for the rec!) and though I REALLY love the concept, I'm a little nervous to keep a massive interconnected knowledge base with a SaaS. Currently, I use Devonthink and though it's not perfect, I'm just so relieved I can have data on my machine with the storage system I choose. I miss the days of software storing data on my computer or where I want.

As a backend engineer, I just think: "Man, this data is just sitting in a db somewhere for any engineer to grep." Until we get to a point where everything is just encrypted by default, I just can't see myself trusting software like this.

Re: Luhmann's Zettelkasten

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Post by keeprunning » Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 9:01 PM UTC

darkpicnic wrote: post #5

Zettelkasten has to be the least explained concept I've discovered online. Sure, they'll explain the _technique_ of it, but I've almost never seen any solid examples of it in _use_. I was so excited when I first heard of it, but I'm a person that learns by seeing examples and I couldn't find any good ones anywhere. Does anyone have any good examples they've seen?

ha, yeah very muich in the same boat. been following some of the zettel blogs for years and have read an ungodly number of posts, but it still hasn't entirely clicked — that said, I've moved entirely to plain text for note-taking and it's been a godsend moving out of evernote.

Re: Luhmann's Zettelkasten

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Post by chrisweekly » Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:53 PM UTC

chris_st wrote: post #62

chrisweekly wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had precisely your reaction, and am stoked to share my enthusiasm for Roam ( https://roamresearch.com ) -- a graph-based system for codex / memex / personal knowledge-base / zettelkasten++

I'm trying to like it, but I keep running into bugs... and I haven't been able to find a point of contact on their web page to describe them. But, yeah, when it works it's very nice indeed.

yeah it's super-early-days; they won't even take my money yet. import and export and mobile (and hopefully encryption at rest) are all coming