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Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by m_ke »

jedberg wrote: post #55

Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…

All of the people I know who left NYC also left because of housing costs, even though New York has been putting up new housing at an insane rate.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/mortgages/migration-study/

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by kilroy123 »

vondur wrote: post #40

Pretty easy to figure out in California. High cost of living, crime is out of control, homeless taking over parts of the city. Our state government is either unwilling or unable to address these issues. So sale your overpriced property and move to a state with more sensible policies and taxes. Seems pretty reasonable.

I'm a native Californian and everyone in my family badly wants to move for all of those reasons.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by vondur »

sharkmerry wrote: post #74
vondur wrote: post #40

Pretty easy to figure out in California. High cost of living, crime is out of control, homeless taking over parts of the city. Our state government is either unwilling or unable to address these issues. So sale your overpriced property and move to a state with more sensible policies and taxes. Seems pretty reasonable.

Crime has ticked up slightly compared to the lows, but it has comparable rates to the 60s right now. Before the explosion of crime in the 70s and 80s

Many people aren’t bothering to report crimes now. The police won’t do anything about it. You can pretty much get away will minor property crimes/theft now without any repercussions.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by enad »

jedberg wrote: post #83

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Houston. It is very humid. Most of the time.

But we have air conditioning. Every place has air conditioning. And it run's constantly. But still my power bill is just a fraction of what it was in California.

From late fall through early spring the weather is very California-like: cool and crisp in the morning and warm and dry in the afternoon.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by refurb »

jshaqaw wrote: post #68

Cost of living is real. Weather is real. Outside of a few highly nomadic ultra-high net worth types the tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial in absolute terms for most people to bother with. The idea that masses of people are moving for lower taxes seems like a rhetorical invention of the WSJ editorial page versus anything rooted in reality.

Disagree strongly on taxes. Moving from CA to WA, could save a family making $100,000 nearly $1,000 per month.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by krapp »

vondur wrote: post #84
sharkmerry wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crime has ticked up slightly compared to the lows, but it has comparable rates to the 60s right now. Before the explosion of crime in the 70s and 80s

Many people aren’t bothering to report crimes now. The police won’t do anything about it. You can pretty much get away will minor property crimes/theft now without any repercussions.

>You can pretty much get away will minor property crimes/theft now without any repercussions.

Only if you're white.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by xxpor »

rb808 wrote: post #49

To me its fascinating the growth of state's pop. TX is sucking up people so fast. NY has hardly changed in 70 years. State 1850 1900 1950 2020 NY 3 7 17 19 IL 1 4.8 8.7 13 CA .1 1.5 10.5 39 TX .2 3 8 29 FL .1 0.5 2.7 21

Texas has built housing. NY essentially hasn't.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by rmason »

Surprised to see Michigan still on the list. Ten years ago it should have been number one. But things have gotten much better, dramatically better in the last two years.

Reports I've seen is that the state should see an increase in population in the 2020 census. Last time that happened would have been perhaps in the early nineties.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by freewilly1040 »

OrangeMango wrote: post #35
blululu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be slightly skewed by the effect of retirees (people earn the most before they retire). Illinois has high taxes and terrible weather. A lot of affluent people leave the state and retire to Florida. I'm not sure if the article's analysis is really concerned with these nuances.

> Illinois has high taxes and terrible weather Illinois has a flat income tax; at $135k income you would only be beat by the states that have no income tax (like Florida). Most of the states on that list also have weather that is either terrible in the summer or terrible in the winter, so I doubt that weather is really a factor in people moving.

What about property taxes?
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