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Correct. I'd add that I don't think anyone worth listening to has ever really thought this to be true: rather, it is convenient for those with the majority of private capital for everyone to believe it is true so that they don't have to account for how they spend their money.
There are countless journalists and academics in the UK who believe this as surely as they believe the sun will rise tomorrow.
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#82it would be naive/foolish to expect that the enormous technological progress and overpopulation by humans would not affect the environment. The question is how fast can people and ecosystems adapt. This is not the first nor the biggest change the earth has seen by far. It's also naive to think that politics is going to reverse that change - it's a technological problem.
The problem itself is technological, but do you believe the solution is (solely) technological?
Considering the technical aspect of the problem is well enough understood, if politics "can't" fix this, then what's plan B?
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#83It’s likely to kill everyone of us. From the rich to the poor, strong to the weak, through famine, war and drought. Natural disaster after natural disaster. Horror after horror. Tragedy after tragedy. Yet we’re all in state of paralysis, watching our impending doom draw closer and fates unfold. Entrusting those who will do nothing about it. Half of us are still in denial. I really wonder if we possess the survival in…
Here's my other comment below for details.[1]
This is compoundd by the fact that "professional politicians" feel compelled/incentivized to lie over and over again in their career, and it becomes easier and easier to lie as you do it — kind of a psychological response to cognitive dissonance, a defense mechanism. Survival instinct, at this level, is definitely individual, internal, and may completely shut down or even oppose the survival of the country, civilization, species. You just lie your way out to save yourself and your family and friends, and to hell with everyone and everything else because you're not super(wo)man. So human.
The kind of collective instinct for survival (what Jung would probably have called a collective form of consciousness, that is opened to others, bigger-than-each-of-us) that is required for such higher-level evolution (civ, species) is more generational, imho.
This is all mostly deduced/hypothesized from sociology and political science studies, with a tad of psychology etc. I mean, I haven't found much contradictory arguments to these apparent "truths", however unable we feel to explain them. It takes generations to meaningfully evolve civilizational paradigms, there's just no speeding up history in that regard. We merely leap forward big time when conditions are ripe and a particularly exceptional figure (or group thereof) manages to steer things "the right way" — one of these.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is an ineffective approach. No country can assume any other will fall in line to "do the same". This creates a do nothing approach because it turns doing the right thing, by taking the first steps, into a game of finger pointing. War is definitely not the answer and is 100% counterproductive to the end goal. If all countries, that are supposedly interested in being the best climate change affectors, all competed…
The problem with this approach, which I was trying to highlight, is that as long as "doing better by climate change" implies "economic disadvantage" there will be major polluters who do not get on board. What will you do with them? If you really believe this is an existential crisis for humanity, you must be willing to destroy these countries. Choose your poison: bomb them to oblivion or sanction/starve them to death…
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#85Does anyone have a link to the paper? Also climate change is undeniable. At the risk of stirring the controversy, the real questions have always been: how much of it is because of human activity? and if that's significant, how much power do we have to change it further? Based on the evidence so far, I personally think modern civilization has triggered initial conditions for the warming cycle but is no longer the majo…
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or laws/taxes are passed, which incorporate the externalities, and subventions for detrimental efforts are cut. That is "just" a matter of political will.
How much war are you willing to wage to force other countries to do the same? I think that's really the only question that matters when it comes to the "everybody pass laws" plan.
Want to sell to us? Prove your climate credentials, carbon accounting etc. No? Ok, your goods get the carbon levy.
What's eventually left is only the rogue states that refuse where sanctions, blockade or ultimately war may actually be the answer.
Really only comes down to how deep is the abyss we appear to be staring into... Though this can sometimes prompt enough action to get international laws passed.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correct. I'd add that I don't think anyone worth listening to has ever really thought this to be true: rather, it is convenient for those with the majority of private capital for everyone to believe it is true so that they don't have to account for how they spend their money.
There are countless journalists and academics in the UK who believe this as surely as they believe the sun will rise tomorrow.
Re: Climate change now detectable from any single day of weather at global scale
#88Does anyone have a link to the paper? Also climate change is undeniable. At the risk of stirring the controversy, the real questions have always been: how much of it is because of human activity? and if that's significant, how much power do we have to change it further? Based on the evidence so far, I personally think modern civilization has triggered initial conditions for the warming cycle but is no longer the majo…
If we pulled the trigger, surely the cause of the bullet firing must be us then?
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#89It’s likely to kill everyone of us. From the rich to the poor, strong to the weak, through famine, war and drought. Natural disaster after natural disaster. Horror after horror. Tragedy after tragedy. Yet we’re all in state of paralysis, watching our impending doom draw closer and fates unfold. Entrusting those who will do nothing about it. Half of us are still in denial. I really wonder if we possess the survival in…
500 million animals wiped out in the blink of an eye and we look the other way. When humans start dying, I think we will continue to look the other way.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I was growing up here in the 90s; we had solid -30 Celsius winters for several months. Where? In your imagination? https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148642/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148509/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148455/1990/Historical-Weather-... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/148594/1990/Historical-Weather-...
Please don't be a jerk in HN comments. If you have correct information, it's enough to provide that without crossing into personal attack. These threads are flamewar prone enough as it is.