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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by droithomme »

sixQuarks wrote: post #42
threeseed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because reports have him receiving information either directly or indirectly from the Russian government. And they have access to all sorts of sensitive information. John Podesta and Hillary Clinton's emails allegedly found its way to Wikileaks through this path.

From what I've researched, the Hillary emails were most likely from an internal source.

Correct. Former Ambassador Craig Murray has stated that a disgruntled DNC employee, unhappy with the treatment of Sanders, personally gave him the emails in Washington and he couriered the emails to his friend Assange who then published them.

And as has been pointed out the Podesta emails were taken through a phishing email which was sent to thousands of people (so it wasn't spear phishing) and which he foolishly fell for.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by Synaesthesia »

Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class.

He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”.

He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despite the fact that he was under 24/7 surveillance!

And these rape charges, clearly also designed to tarnish his name, now finally exposed as a fiasco.

Many newspapers had huge scoops thanks to Wikileaks, but have now turned on them. A particularly striking example is the supposedly liberal Guardian.

Journalists everywhere should be afraid as this sets a dangerous precedent for all of them.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by OrgNet »

jevgeni wrote: post #14
moksly wrote: post #10

Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t? I haven’t really been following this a whole lot, but as I understand it, the US wants him extradited because his platform was used to leak sensible information that put American soldiers in danger. But why is that a thing when it isn’t for other platforms? I mean, twitter, Facebook and YouTube have…

I’d think it’s the same reasoning why ISPs aren’t held accountable for piracy.

Looks like this is changing, strangely: https://m.slashdot.org/story/364910

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by rjsw »

sneak wrote: post #30
nabla9 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WikiLeaks is journalistic organization. (Some claim that they are shitty journalistic organization, but that is not a good argument for removing their status as journalistic organization) The question you should be asking is why Assange and not journalists in NYT, Guardian etc. who published what Assange provided? The answer is that charges against Assange are not about publishing secret information. Charges are Assa…

He has not yet been put on trial. He must be presumed innocent of all charges until such time that he is. Torturing even a guilty person is not acceptable. Torturing an innocent one is presumably less so.

He is guilty of breaking his bail conditions.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by boomboomsubban »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #35
moksly wrote: post #10

Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t? I haven’t really been following this a whole lot, but as I understand it, the US wants him extradited because his platform was used to leak sensible information that put American soldiers in danger. But why is that a thing when it isn’t for other platforms? I mean, twitter, Facebook and YouTube have…

The US is accusing him of being more than just a passive receiving end for previously exfiltrated classified info. The allegation is that he actively encouraged Manning to obtain the diplomatic cables after he sent the helicopter video, and that Manning then downloaded them. That's a whole lot more than just being a leak host.

The only "encouragement" mentioned in the indictment is Assange saying "curious eyes never run dry in my experience" in response to Manning saying that was all she could get for him. Nothing like what you described.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by tptacek »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #82

Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class. He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”. He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despit…

Wikileaks does not have a faultless record.

For example:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by nicehat »

NovemberWhiskey wrote: post #75
nicehat wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that his trial was fair? The only coverage I've seen of the trial, which has been remarkably quiet, alleges extreme US interference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-c... Jullian's father is going around the world telling people how brutally corrupt this all is, and how he fears for his son's life. The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture agrees with hi…

The top link, which is the only one that addresses court proceedings, is nothing to do with his bail jumping case at all - it's about the US extradition. Just from a timeline perspective this is obvious: his conviction was back in May; this article is from October.

The US extradition which was categorically denied for years? Ah, I see.

> The UK remains in violation of a United Nations decision from 2016 that Mr. Assange is being subjected to Arbitrary Detention [1]. The UK government refuses to release most of its internal communications relating to Mr. Assange saying that to do so would compromise the United Kingdom’s national security and diplomatic relations.

[1] https://justice4assange.com/UN-Working-Group-Decision.html

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