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Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Whatever happened to those people who planned to put a cruise ship in international waters just off the coast of San Francisco? "project blueseed" https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/14/silicon-valley-... https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2012/12/17/16...

https://blueseed.com/ nginx bad gateway. No updates since 2014 or so.

I guess the free market has spoken!

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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post #61

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People understand these words differently, but by the standards that apply on HN, it's definitely ideological and generic. These are things we're trying to avoid, because internet forums don't have anything new to say about them. The arguments just get increasingly repetitive and nasty.

Why pick on this comment, though? The whole thread here is an ideological debate between forms of government and is repetitive; you may as well lock the whole thing at this point.

The comment was significantly more generic, which makes for worse discussion, especially on divisive topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

One thing to look for is whether a comment remains anchored in the specific content of an article, or has become unmoored from it. Most of this thread retains at least some contact with it. Even the parent of the comment I replied to (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21866584), which is pretty generic, has at least a wispy string connecting it to the OP. But https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21867096 just goes into talking points.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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I certainly hope it’s not cede all control in one swoop to a couple of rich guys who think they know what’s best for everyone. Im all for experimenting. I’m not for handing over local legal power to a corporation in one fell swoop because they promise to pay for my taxi as long as I’m in their good books. No—the immediacy and totality they’re pursuing is the thing that bothers me. Little compromise seems to be offere…

> They seem to think like vey corporations do—they should be able to “just buy it”. I don’t like that. Not everything is for sale. Are you referring to buying land from a country? That's a form of cession, and it's certainly not unprecedented (see: Louisiana Purchase). In my eyes, it's the moral way to go about acquiring land, with the alternatives being annexation and conquest. Under what conditions are you okay wit…

It wasn’t just real estate they wanted. They wanted judicial control over a region in Toronto while still retaining the benefits of being a Canadian locale. They seemed to think that was for sale.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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post #43

Isn't this the plot of BioShock? If this sounds like a dorky joke post, it's not. Isn't this literally motivated by the same neo-fuedal oligarchical narcissism that made the bad guy in BioShock build essentially the same thing as this? Tell me one of these "seasteads" won't get hit by some speedboat pirates and decide OK, we're gonna arm up and hey why not build down? And you know what? No one's gonna say we can't do…

Why the fear of opt-in competition? Nobody is forcing anyone to move to these places. What they are is an opportunity to try out new governance modes. They might work or they might not. I find the hostility towards people trying new things to be strange and misplaced.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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Isn't this the plot of BioShock? If this sounds like a dorky joke post, it's not. Isn't this literally motivated by the same neo-fuedal oligarchical narcissism that made the bad guy in BioShock build essentially the same thing as this? Tell me one of these "seasteads" won't get hit by some speedboat pirates and decide OK, we're gonna arm up and hey why not build down? And you know what? No one's gonna say we can't do…

> “Do I want to create the first venture-backed city-state? Hell yeah” Ahem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_Indies And we all know how well that turned out for the locals.

It's their plain for the whole planet, basically.

In fact it's what the whole idea of "smashing the state" has been about all along.

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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> They seem to think like vey corporations do—they should be able to “just buy it”. I don’t like that. Not everything is for sale. Are you referring to buying land from a country? That's a form of cession, and it's certainly not unprecedented (see: Louisiana Purchase). In my eyes, it's the moral way to go about acquiring land, with the alternatives being annexation and conquest. Under what conditions are you okay wit…

It wasn’t just real estate they wanted. They wanted judicial control over a region in Toronto while still retaining the benefits of being a Canadian locale. They seemed to think that was for sale.

I'm not aware of what you're referring to, but even if some entity wants to start an independent country in an area that was under the control of Canada and Toronto, what is your exact issue with it? Why is it not for sale? Is the issue that the theoretical small country would have open borders, and they'd expect the same from Canada? Should both countries have closed borders so that Canadians and the residents of the small country couldn't benefit from each other? If the borders were closed, would it be okay?

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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post #78

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https://blueseed.com/ nginx bad gateway. No updates since 2014 or so.

I guess the free market has spoken!

That was usually my first thought when these projects come up. Who would want to live there? I can see why billionaires want to, but what about all the citizens that make up a real city? Why would a cook with a family and ambitions want to live permanently in the middle of an ocean, far from the "real world"?

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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post #87

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I guess the free market has spoken!

That was usually my first thought when these projects come up. Who would want to live there? I can see why billionaires want to, but what about all the citizens that make up a real city? Why would a cook with a family and ambitions want to live permanently in the middle of an ocean, far from the "real world"?

The sad reality is that the wealthy people running the place would probably recruit domestic servants, using the same labor recruiters that send people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_workers_in_the_United_...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=hjsBXo...

Re: The Hottest New Thing in Seasteading Is Land

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It wasn’t just real estate they wanted. They wanted judicial control over a region in Toronto while still retaining the benefits of being a Canadian locale. They seemed to think that was for sale.

I'm not aware of what you're referring to, but even if some entity wants to start an independent country in an area that was under the control of Canada and Toronto, what is your exact issue with it? Why is it not for sale? Is the issue that the theoretical small country would have open borders, and they'd expect the same from Canada? Should both countries have closed borders so that Canadians and the residents of th…

I don’t think you’re reading my comments or responding in good faith here as I explicitly stated what I was looking talking about.

Have a nice holiday.

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