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Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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The article once more reiterates the fact that Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You cannot even fight, there is no future ;-) on iOS.

Yes, however, even as a Firefox advocate, I think in this case it's actually a good thing, since the majority of people would probably switch to Chrome then, contributing to the Blink monoculture.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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It is. I don't use them and recommend uBlock Origin to anyone who asks. But they are correct on this.

The Meta-irony is real... @Ghostery tweet about Guardian "allowing trackers to spy on their readers" while themselves selling their user's data.

That's why I find uBlock Origin so refreshing. The entire ad-blocking universe is so tainted with business interests it's hard to trust any of them. The uBlock Origin developer is genuinely principled from what I've seen.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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The Guardian website is horrible when it comes to tracking. They don't tend to mention that in their privacy-focused articles. Here's a tweet that sums it up: 'The irony is real... @Guardian headline, "The Guardian view on privacy online: a human right", while allowing trackers to spy on their readers.' https://twitter.com/Ghostery/status/989543132349034499

- The Guardian website is horrible when it comes to tracking.

- Here's a tweet

The irony is real indeed.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Anti-trust? Or have the lawyers for Apple (and Google) found the legalese to prevent this possibility?

Apple is only a monopoly if the market is iOS devices so they're quick to point out the market is all mobile devices. Google allows sideloading, and allows competitors on the play store

> they're quick to point out the market is all mobile devices.

It is not. The market is stores for Ios devices, Apple does have monopoly.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Mozilla really has a big challenge. It is hard to compete with such powerful companies, creating a sustainable business with their mission without succumbing to ads or stopping to protect user privacy. It looks like an unfair game. I like the Brave business model. I wish to have the same with Firefox.

Too bad they built Brave on Chromium instead of Firefox. Which of course given that the company is run by Mozilla co-founder Brendan Eich is a bit of a shame. Firefox is showing that they are more than technically competent to keep up with Chromium and deliver great performance and functionality. With the work they are doing rewriting Firefox component by component in Rust, Google will have their work cut out keeping…

It’s very easy to build a new browser on top of Chromium/Blink, which is why there are hundreds of Chromium-based browsers out there. In contrast, building on top of Firefox/Gecko, pretty damn hard. Even Firefox devs have admitted this.

All too often I hear sentiments like “too bad they built... on Chromium instead of Firefox”, as if it’s a moral choice. It’s not. It’s an informed technical choice. If you want to change that, you should contribute to Firefox instead of blaming other browser makers.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Too bad they built Brave on Chromium instead of Firefox. Which of course given that the company is run by Mozilla co-founder Brendan Eich is a bit of a shame. Firefox is showing that they are more than technically competent to keep up with Chromium and deliver great performance and functionality. With the work they are doing rewriting Firefox component by component in Rust, Google will have their work cut out keeping…

Nobody would fork Firefox today, as they are just following Google reimplementing Chromium and as a consequence always behind and catching up, just burning resources. While they could fork Chromium themselves and focus instead on features that create an advantage and attract users.

While I agree that a lot of features from Chrome appear later in Firefox, I don't think it's true for the engine.

As an example, asm.js, the technology which became Web Assembly has been invented by Mozilla folks.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Mozilla really has a big challenge. It is hard to compete with such powerful companies, creating a sustainable business with their mission without succumbing to ads or stopping to protect user privacy. It looks like an unfair game. I like the Brave business model. I wish to have the same with Firefox.

Too bad they built Brave on Chromium instead of Firefox. Which of course given that the company is run by Mozilla co-founder Brendan Eich is a bit of a shame. Firefox is showing that they are more than technically competent to keep up with Chromium and deliver great performance and functionality. With the work they are doing rewriting Firefox component by component in Rust, Google will have their work cut out keeping…

> Too bad they built Brave on Chromium instead of Firefox

Weren't the initial versions of Brave based on Firefox? I rem reading it somewhere that they later had to move to Chromium for one reason or the other.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Apple uses no Turing complete policy. So you also can't bundle a python or ruby interpreter in iOS. Its still anti-competitive but in a different area which is language and api. They are basically trying to push devs to use their native OS apis. PWA are also screwed up in Safari for a reason.

This is not true. There is for example the Pythonista IDE for iOS, which ships a full Python interpreter. https://omz-software.com/pythonista/

Is there an example of a non development/learning tool?

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

#90
post #7

The article once more reiterates the fact that Apple doesn't allow other browser engines. You cannot even fight, there is no future ;-) on iOS.

If Apple allowed Firefox on iOS - real Firefox with the rendering engine and extensions and everything, just like Android - I probably would have switched already.

As it stands, I stay on Android mostly for Firefox.

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