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Re: Farewell, Cortana

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I don't know a single person using Cortana, so it's not a surprise I guess. At least the push to use it in Windows will finally go away... A bit too late I have migrated to Ubuntu earlier this year... Puting an end to 20 years of Windows on my computer. Farewell Microsoft.

nobody: ---

Cortana: Tell me what you would like to do.

Me: Uninstall Cortana permanently, thoroughly and forever.

Cortana: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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I don't know a single person using Cortana, so it's not a surprise I guess. At least the push to use it in Windows will finally go away... A bit too late I have migrated to Ubuntu earlier this year... Puting an end to 20 years of Windows on my computer. Farewell Microsoft.

Does anyone use any voice assistant anywhere? Other than people trying it out for the first time, I've literally never seen it in the wild.

Just my youngest who doesn't like typing yet.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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The big howler for me was Cortana running as part of Windows Server 2016, by default. Look: I'm not really happy running Windows Server to begin with [HN crowd: a decision that was not mine, by the way], so why do you have to have this stupid thing downloading and running all kinds of random executables that I have no idea what they do in my bloody server farm ? And yup, I have logs off all those things, and pager tr…

>The big howler for me was Cortana running as part of Windows Server 2016, by default. Cortana is not running as part of Windows Server 2016 by default . The default install option is no GUI and that option does not install Cortana. You will explicit have to choose that you want to install the "Desktop experience" in order to get Cortana. If you select to add an optional feature named "Desktop experience" it is fair…

Windows Server 2016 (Desktop Experience). Choosing this option is useful when a GUI is required; for example, to provide backward compatibility for an application that cannot be run on a Server Core installation. All server roles and features are supported. This configuration is the equivalent of Server Graphical Shell on Windows Server 2012 R2.

Maybe he wants GUI experience, like Win NT

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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Does anyone use any voice assistant anywhere? Other than people trying it out for the first time, I've literally never seen it in the wild.

I played with it when you could replace the godawful "OK Google" phrase with your own. It was pretty useless. I'm never saying "OK Google". Siri, Cortana, etc are a bit better but why not let people personalize that? Gotta remind people who owns them?

"hotword" detection is done in special recognition hardware so as to not incur latency to the cloud, which is where the rest of the voice recognition gets done. You can't change the hotword, or can only choose between a few, because that's what's baked into the chip on the device.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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The big howler for me was Cortana running as part of Windows Server 2016, by default. Look: I'm not really happy running Windows Server to begin with [HN crowd: a decision that was not mine, by the way], so why do you have to have this stupid thing downloading and running all kinds of random executables that I have no idea what they do in my bloody server farm ? And yup, I have logs off all those things, and pager tr…

>The big howler for me was Cortana running as part of Windows Server 2016, by default. Cortana is not running as part of Windows Server 2016 by default . The default install option is no GUI and that option does not install Cortana. You will explicit have to choose that you want to install the "Desktop experience" in order to get Cortana. If you select to add an optional feature named "Desktop experience" it is fair…

Let's be fair here.

Apart from AD and Exchange, the only Windows-only server programs you may need to install are likely to be legacy domain specific, professional kind of stuff. I've seen tax-filing stuff, finance regulation compliance, medical or judicial "solutions" that would only run (poorly) on Windows, usually with mind-boggling requirements (run as domain admin! Server 2003 only!) and they simply won't run without the GUI.

In other words: usually, if you need Windows server, you're going to need the GUI.

Note that I say this as a Linux admin who has only run Windows very occasionally (and reluctantly!) in the past 20 years.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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Almost the same level of distraction as holding a conversation then. I can live with that.

A conversation with another person in the car is not the same as a phone conversation (for one, the other person doesn't share the road cues with you to know to stop talking when something requires attention, can't see your face and you can't see theirs, it's easier to get emotionally triggered, etc). And of course another person in the car can also help point to things to watch out on the road, a person in a phone c…

There's at least one way in which it's easier talking to a voice assistant, I use AndroidAuto as my GPS (ie navigation aid whilst driving). When you talk to someone they don't "bing" to show they're listening, so you generally have to look at them.

Me: "OK Google"

AndroidAuto: {bing}

Me: "Navigate home"

AndroidAuto: "Navigating to [home], your travel time will be Xhrs, usual traffic along your route" [or whatever it says]

It's pretty low concentration, like tuning a radio manually I'd say.

You have to choose how you phrase things for different people too. If you're talking to another adult with kids in the car you might be choosing that phrasing with quite a deal of cognitive load.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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>The big howler for me was Cortana running as part of Windows Server 2016, by default. Cortana is not running as part of Windows Server 2016 by default . The default install option is no GUI and that option does not install Cortana. You will explicit have to choose that you want to install the "Desktop experience" in order to get Cortana. If you select to add an optional feature named "Desktop experience" it is fair…

Let's be fair here. Apart from AD and Exchange, the only Windows-only server programs you may need to install are likely to be legacy domain specific, professional kind of stuff. I've seen tax-filing stuff, finance regulation compliance, medical or judicial "solutions" that would only run (poorly) on Windows, usually with mind-boggling requirements (run as domain admin! Server 2003 only!) and they simply won't run wi…

usually, if you need Windows server, you're going to need the GUI.

This absolutely is not true and is a bizarre assertion to start with “Let’s be fair here”.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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Agreed entirely. In Windows 7, I could hit the Winkey, type the first few letters of a program, then hit enter. The results were instant and consistent, so I could build muscle memory on it. In Windows 10, the search results take several seconds to show up, and change depending on what new files there are, how many starting characters I typed, whether the index is up to date, and the phase of the moon.

There must be a lot of macs or linux machines in the department responsible for the search because there's no way any developer is dogfooding that user hostile mess

IIRC the conversation I've had with a former Microsoft employee, some features are developed as mini competitions. Requirements are sent to the group(s) and first acceptable implementation gets merged.

e.g. for the Ribbon-UI in Office, there was 3-4 implementations until one was selected as final.

So the Windows search UI is the fastest developed one with acceptable features.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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Let's be fair here. Apart from AD and Exchange, the only Windows-only server programs you may need to install are likely to be legacy domain specific, professional kind of stuff. I've seen tax-filing stuff, finance regulation compliance, medical or judicial "solutions" that would only run (poorly) on Windows, usually with mind-boggling requirements (run as domain admin! Server 2003 only!) and they simply won't run wi…

usually, if you need Windows server, you're going to need the GUI. This absolutely is not true and is a bizarre assertion to start with “Let’s be fair here”.

I manage multiple HIPPA-compliant networks for medical companies.

YES YOU DO NEED WINDOWS. NOTHING works without the damned GUI because almost nobody knows how to write CLI-usable programs any longer.

Re: Farewell, Cortana

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“To make your personal digital assistant as helpful as possible, we’re integrating Cortana into your Microsoft 365 productivity apps,” Doesn't sound like its farewell at all... just possibly giving Cortana direct access to everything you type in email, documents, excel.. the list goes on

The return of clippy?
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