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Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

divbzero wrote: post #59
deogeo wrote: post #18

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It should be noted that music label contracts are notoriously one-sided, and artists often make their labels millions without seeing a dime themselves.

We should thank those who have helped nudge the startup world in a different direction.

Hallelujah. I'm honestly kind of dismayed at how many people are saying "tough shit Taylor Swift", when I hear people bitch on this site all the time about the unfairness of things like non-competes, lopsided preference rights, etc. that end up in the contracts of engineers and the startup founders.

While I don't know if it's the same people bitching about these contract provision who are also saying Taylor Swift should cry me a river, the overall tone strikes me as completely hypocritical. Just search for any post on this site about non-competes and tell me how many upvoted comments you see saying "Tough shit, why did you sign the contract then?"

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by slouch »

0xfffafaCrash wrote: post #10
xwowsersx wrote: post #6

Can someone explain the background here? I only have a vague idea of how the music industry works. I don't understand what's going on here.

Taylor Swift signed a deal with a record label instead of being an independent artist because it seemed (and possibly was) advantageous at the time and now that she is rich and famous and doesn't need the label, she no longer wants to hold up her side of the deal (giving the label certain rights to her earlier music for a certain period of time) and so now she is playing victim to get her fans to pressure the label i…

when she was 14

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by whamlastxmas »

stallmanite wrote: post #41
wallace_f wrote: post #17

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To be fair Twitter isn't overwhelmingly better.

I never am asked to sign in to Twitter just to view content. Facebook does last time I checked.

I am asked with a pop-up but not required every single time on Twitter

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by xwdv »

SllX wrote: post #43
xwdv wrote: post #27

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Please don’t give her anymore ideas. She should just take her money and retire peacefully dressing fancy and traveling the world.

There aren’t any original ideas here. Taylor Swift is intelligent and already knows the political climate and can ruthlessly exploit it to her own benefit. We are all our own best advocates, she’s not any different.

We do not need more people exploiting political climates to their own benefit. We need people exploiting it for the benefit of others.

Taylor Swift ultimately cares only about herself and her carefully curated persona.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by orev »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #78
nordsieck wrote: post #53

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> Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the contract says" If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the firs…

> If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the first place. Bullshit. We are perfectly fine accepting all sorts of contact limitations in other areas. How many times have I heard on this site that people wish all states were like California in making non-competes unenforceable. And yet engineers still manage to get hired there. I don't see why it wouldn't be pos…

Supply and demand.

There are a limited number of engineers and the companies who need them actually have to fill those roles in a reasonable amount of time to be able to get things done and stay competitive. This puts pressure on the companies to make the contracts more equal.

There are an (effectively) infinite number of young musicians dying for the chance to “make it big”, and the music companies don’t have the same kind of pressure to constantly have to keep filling seats to get work done. They can take their time and pick and choose however they want. This allows them to write the contracts more in their favor.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by adultSwim »

xwowsersx wrote: post #7
yellow_lead wrote: post #5

>The message being sent to me is very clear. Basically, be a good little girl and shut up. Or you’ll be punished. >This is WRONG. Is that the message? Is it not the case that this is the result of a legally binding contract?

Right. Is this just celebrity with a huge audience privilege whereby they get to skirt contracts they signed by leveraging their fan base to exert pressure on the other party?

Companies on HN exert pressure all the time. She's being savvy.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by SllX »

xwdv wrote: post #86
SllX wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren’t any original ideas here. Taylor Swift is intelligent and already knows the political climate and can ruthlessly exploit it to her own benefit. We are all our own best advocates, she’s not any different.

We do not need more people exploiting political climates to their own benefit. We need people exploiting it for the benefit of others. Taylor Swift ultimately cares only about herself and her carefully curated persona.

That’s the nature of individual free will. You use what you have to your benefit and the benefit of your progeny. Turns out Taylor Swift has a lot and it’s not just money.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by unreal37 »

daenz wrote: post #51
unreal37 wrote: post #42

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I'm sure Scooter Braun, who's likely got a net worth more than Taylor Swift, is going to be OK. He can take care of himself and doesn't need you to defend him. Nobody is bullying anybody here.

Your argument is essentially "It's ok to use dirty and deceptive tactics against people with more net worth than you." Why is that acceptable to you?

The words "dirty and deceptive tactics" are yours.

I just don't worry about people with 9 figure net worths arguing over inconsequential things.

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