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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by zamfi »

jayalpha wrote: post #67
propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I don't understand your post at all. "so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's." Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars. "This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations" What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU? "and basically removed Customs tax" This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free tra…

> "and basically removed Customs tax" > This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free trade zone in the world. If Mercosul joins, it is the biggest.

Wait, isn't this is exactly how custom taxes work? Say the EU charges a 10% tax on all imported passenger cars (it does, and 25% on pickups and other trucks). Now, if Tesla sells cars to the EU that were made in the USA, wouldn't it trigger that import tax?

Now, say Tesla builds a factory inside the EU and makes cars there (as it plans to do). When sold in the EU, those cars wouldn't be charged an import tax because they're not being imported.

Right? What am I missing?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by jayalpha »

NGC404 wrote: post #40
choeger wrote: post #2

Please drop your inevitable BER jokes below so we can recylce them properly later.

I bet elon will not be able to land in BER for the celebation of the millionth car rolled out there.

You will win this bet since zero cars are produced there.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by SEJeff »

propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I will say that Tel Aviv and Haifa both have excellent engineers. As Tesla grows I'd be a bit surprised if they didn't have engineers in Israel. That said, most of the engineering is still based out of Silicon Valley, so that might be why?

As a tesla fan and owner, I hope you get your superchargers. I've heard rumors that they've just started seriously producing the supercharger v3 hardware at the Buffalo, NY factory (Gigafactory 2), so maybe as that ramps up you'll be good.

Consider tweeting @elonmusk and asking. I did that for slow parts delivery and had the issue resolved in two days.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by DanielleMolloy »

tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

This was a pure territorial war. I’ve seen the German campaign material, there was no sign of good reasons, at most a lot of misunderstanding of the idea of a startup incubator. I remember how I had to explain the idea to a very vocal campaigner who clearly did not get that Google was not planning to open a big dev center in their kiez after Google gave up. The underlying reason was the fear of rents rising in Kreuzberg.

They didn’t protest against the new Spandau Siemens campus either. Siemens being in the arms industry, while Googlers openly protested against any military-related research during the same year. It’s just that no nobody wants to live in Spandau.

The area around BER is even further away, and the close-by Adlershof is pretty much Berlins center for STEM research (many suppliers are there too). Could be a good move.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by propercoil »

jayalpha wrote: post #67
propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I don't understand your post at all. "so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's." Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars. "This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations" What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU? "and basically removed Customs tax" This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free tra…

EU regulations prohibit the turning angle of the wheel unlike the U.S. You simply can’t navigate on autopilot in the same way. Also the EU makes money from the auto companies in their jurisdiction and they don’t want a U.S auto company competing with them. Now that Tesla opens a factory in Germany “massages” things.

The customs tax is in regards to countries/jurisdictions other than the ones with the Tesla factories. For instance a country like Israel might have a 20% tariff from Europe but 0% from China due to different bilateral deals so Tesla will send cars from there.

Israel is different than Dubai because literally a third of the population are in the tech space. Israel’s main export is tech and the tech ecosystem will build on-top of Tesla (Waze for example was founded here and there are many auto security startups for instance).

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by zeristor »

tnolet wrote: post #52

I'm curious about how the massive left/anti-fa movement in Berlin will react to this one. They kept out Google after massive protests. Not sure this is the same thing though. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/24/google-ab... p.s. I'm based in Berlin. Have no horse in the race except that the Google office would have been right down the street of where I work.

Anti-fa, isn’t that just a term used by fascists? Fas?

Wasn’t the Allied War effort in WW2 “Anti-Fa”? Or am I missing something?

Perhaps this could be added to the reminders list for the next Remembrance Day?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by dragontamer »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #77
dragontamer wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that's how Elon Musk sells his factories. But in reality, people are moving around boxes with their bare hands and getting their fingers crushed. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1... > Lane Dillon, an engineering student, lost the tip of his finger in a workplace accident at the Tesla Gigafactory that was never reported to OSHA.

Whenever I’ve looked into the news reports on Tesla worker safety, it always is just a handful of scattered reports, largely unadjudicated. Do you have any reason to think there’s a pattern there? Or are you just using that language for effect?

Tesla fails to report OSHA violations, or even workplace injuries (such as Dillon's missing finger). As such, their statistics are fully bunk. We're blind to the issue, outside of scattered reports.

Tesla needs to fix their reporting problem before we can even have hope at measuring the incidence rate at their factory.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by chmod775 »

Bombthecat wrote: post #71
andrewtbham wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector." https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-f... Germany is the home of Mercedes, BMW, and VW (which owns Porsche and Audi and is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world). Their economy is very dependent on the auto industry. They are also…

Well, but Berlin can't grow anymore... Building new apartments and houses basically cut in half because the rent control law.. To no one's surprise.. If telsa cant find the talent in Berlin. They will be out of lick because no one can't or want to move to Berlin...

What you said is just absolutely wrong. On every level. You are just repeating the propaganda of the landlord lobby.

First off, the number of building permits did actually increase more twofold (by number of apartments) between 2012 and 2018 (the first rent control law took effect in 2015)[1].

Secondly, the rent control law doesn't apply to newly constructed buildings. So suggesting it would somehow decrease incentive to build new apartments is ludicrous. In fact the opposite is true. If you want to have higher rents, you need to construct new buildings.

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/sPgCyTn.png - screenshot because direct links don't work on that page. Source: https://www.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by IOT_Apprentice »

This is all good news. Just wondering about repairs globally as Tesla's start aging and they need to be repaired, or for whatever the current % of their vehicles require service year over year. They must have that info given the amount of telematics they generate AND that they are sole source for maintenance and repair.
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