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Looks like it only does this on sufficiently "small" screens. This is what it looks like on my external display: https://imgur.com/a/DJBiYJ6
Oh you're right. Interesting. My browser is 1134x1080. I guess maybe in today's world of super high res phones that could be considered a "mobile display".
Who Killed the Scrollbar?
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#82> 2. No flipping way to quickly navigate to the top or bottom of the post. I don't know what the state of this is on Android, but iOS 13 lets you grab the scrollbar and go immediately to wherever you want in a document. The scrollbar doesn't show up by default, so it's a 2-step operation. Scroll a bit to make the scroll indicator appear, then grab it and scroll faster. Works well but I doubt many people are aware of…
I tend to have a lot of browser tabs open (well over 1,000 on desktop Firefox, which actually is fairly managable), and on Android there's simply no way to deal with more than ~20 (which I can easily hit in a minute or so).
Firefox/Android is far better in this regard, but on my device is so slow (literally minutes for UI responses) as to be unusable. Yes, despite numerous touted "performance" improvements. I'd very much like to switch. I simply cannot.
On Pocket, which is mentioned in the article and with a longer linked Reddit post ("It gets worse the more you use it"), it takes several minutes to scroll through my Tags list, with absolutely no search or keyboard accelleration possible. This on a tablet with an attached Bluetooth keyboard.
Tablet/mobile usability is complete crap, which is disappointing as tablet form-factor is otherwise promising. (Subject of yet another rant, this also on Ello.)
OP, FWIW.
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#83I'm born in the 80s so it's not totally objective, but I know there's something wrong when I boot up a win95 box and I don't miss 99% of so called innovation regarding UI.
I doubt it's nostalgia, even though i m old too. It's just a lot more efficent and faster to use, mouse and keyboard-wise. I often think to roll back to my windows 7 as a more sane desktop environment. Some of the biggest offenses i 've seen are google's web apps. Total loss of hierarchy and replacement with elusive self-hiding buttons, even when it's clear from their use case that they should never have been hamburg…
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Incessant hamburgerization is something that I also find annoying. Any time I have to set up Firefox, the very first thing I do is enable the menu bar. My desktop isn't a tablet - stop trying to make it one!
It's interesting that you turn on the menu bar. To me this isn't a "tablet" feature at all--it's just a "screen real estate is precious" feature. Even when hidden it's only an Alt press away.
I know about the "Alt" key, but I find the need to press that to pop up the menu to be incredibly annoying.
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#85The same people who killed folders "because tags". Don't get me wrong, I love tags, but why on earth can't we have BOTH???? I don't always remember what I tagged something with, and searching through 8 years of work to find something is useless.
Err isn’t this a problem remembering your file hierarchy as well? Search is the answer in both scenarios.
In other words each level should sub-divide your files into further obvious (whatever that means to you) subcategories.
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#86I actually think he's making a big deal out of nothing on this one. If you have a site that gets long, it would be smart to create some kind of system for jumping between sections, or scrolling up a great deal. Like Google Docs does when editing a long document. I can jump between bookmarks and pages with the "knob" on the right. But most websites don't need anything like this. It should be the job of the developer o…
I know it sounds crazy, but what if there were an ubiquitous solution that everyone was already familiar with and had used many times in the past, a solution that required little thought from developers and behaved consistently everywhere? Something like... well, a scroll bar, at least before devs started being cute and hiding them for the sole purpose of aesthetics.
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#87I'm old enough that I started out building desktop apps with native widgets. You had consistent, easy to use UIs, and they were pretty much the same no matter what application you where in. Building the UI was considered they easy part. You could even draw the thing with drawing tools! Since the native widgets were designed by people who spend all day thinking about UI, user testing UI, etc everything pretty much jus…
HTML form elements are essentially "native" widgets, if only native to the browser. The problem with them is that older browsers lack support for many desirable widgets (e.g. calendar date entry), so some "UI-building" work is still needed.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#88I actually prefer the current scollbar situation. I HATE when people hijack it but I prefer it to disappear when I don't need it. I can always scroll a tiny amount (magic mouse) to see my progress. I really do like the clearer look to UI's without the bar. > No flipping clue how long the flipping post flipping is. > No flipping way to quickly navigate to the top or bottom of the post. I've literally never had either…
My strong preference is the exact opposite of this. I want it to be there, full size, any time that scrolling is possible.
It seems that this is something that should be user configurable.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#89I actually prefer the current scollbar situation. I HATE when people hijack it but I prefer it to disappear when I don't need it. I can always scroll a tiny amount (magic mouse) to see my progress. I really do like the clearer look to UI's without the bar. > No flipping clue how long the flipping post flipping is. > No flipping way to quickly navigate to the top or bottom of the post. I've literally never had either…
This happens all the time for me. When the page scrollbar is thin, and one of the page-width elements in the page also has a scrollbar on the right? I am fighting on both mobile AND the desktop! It’s extremely bad UI design when even on the desktop browser with a mouse and keyboard, I end up fighting to grab the page scrollbar. And it’s not the page designers fault here.
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#90Opera double tap zoom is also the only one that can relayout non-mobile friendly desktop paragraphs to mobile format.