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Re: OpenBSD 6.6

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for one of Theo's recent hints see: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=156932725121978&w=2

Why ruin it for the majority because a few doesn't known what they are doing? I know the argument is that everyone has the disk space these days, but I still don't like to install the entire X window system, compilers etc. for a small embedded system. What's next, force install of Libreoffice and Firefox because a few desktop users can't use the package manager?

The thing I realized about OpenBSD is it’s made by and for the developers. They are going to do what works for them and fits their priorities. Not what works for the widest possible audience.

Re: OpenBSD 6.6

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Just a reminder: you still have to read the preupgrade stuff before and do the manual file deletion stuff afterwards even if you do sysupgrade. Most will need to do the pkg_add -u after all that. Here is the link (I always have to look for it): * https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade66.html

There is 'sysclean' in packages, which make that step easier.

Re: OpenBSD 6.6

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I suppose you could just keep posting this until they follow through with their idea of having only one set to prevent people like you from complaining about this non issue. Or do you think being passive aggressive on hacker news is going to change their collective, long held stance on this issue?

No, what will happen is that sooner rather than later “people like you” will kill my casual interest in this stuff with personal attacks.

fyi portage has INSTALL_MASK: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd#systemd_...

Re: OpenBSD 6.6

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post #85
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why ruin it for the majority because a few doesn't known what they are doing? I know the argument is that everyone has the disk space these days, but I still don't like to install the entire X window system, compilers etc. for a small embedded system. What's next, force install of Libreoffice and Firefox because a few desktop users can't use the package manager?

The thing I realized about OpenBSD is it’s made by and for the developers. They are going to do what works for them and fits their priorities. Not what works for the widest possible audience.

Yes and I agree with 99% of all the things they do, and appreciate them, but the thing with threating to merge all file sets because the few people non-deliberately choosing the non-default case are tripping over their incorrectly tied shoelaces too much. why not just ignore those few people and not force X window system binaries on thousands of network equipment?

Re: OpenBSD 6.6

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The OpenBSD developers are not too thrilled to hear about these sorts of issues, but looks like sysupgrade installed sets I didn't have before (x*66.tgz, game66.tgz).

In the 90s disks were smaller and it might have made more sense to exclude compilers or exclude X. I used to not put X on headless machines. But today disk space is big and cheap.

Why would they merge X before the text games?

I hope they're real complaints and not i.e. we need install menu changed from "install xserver [x]" to "how u liek the xserver? now[ ] never[ ] now with extra firefox, please[x]"

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