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Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by danharaj »

throwaway66920 wrote: post #60
emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

I’m pretty naive to the Middle East, but the primary reason people are protesting is lack of economic opportunity (Iraq specifically), right? Is that someone’s fault? Can it actually be changed? I don’t want people to be killed for protesting, but I don’t know if I care if that protest is successful or not. I’m open to ideas why I should. It sounds like a bunch of people are protesting that their country and has few…

The United States rolled in and installed a brutal kleptocratic state after starving the country through sanctions in the decade previous.

I guess that enterprising freedom loving American ideology didn't take. Oh well what can you do /s

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by freeflight »

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #62
ephemeralism wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, you did invade them. Overthrew their government. but sure, other than that, next to no connection.

I am a Polish immigrant to Canada. Canada very reluctantly helped the US with their air raid campaign over Afghanistan, but as far as I am aware we didn't have much say in Iraq. And either way, I fail to see how that translates to having a closer relationship with their people. If anything, it distances them from our psyche. Obviously the invasion of Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I am not arguing that it was right…

Canada is part of FiveEyes, thus aid was offered [0] and very likely taken.

The lack of Canadian large scale military participation was due to practicality and not moral objections to the invasion [1]:

"The weakness of the Canadian military had been a factor in its very limited role in the 1991 Gulf War. While the military had been asked about the feasibility of sending 4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (4 CMBG) from Germany to the Gulf to participate in direct combat operations, the Canadian Forces were forced to report that Operation "Broadsword", a theoretical deployment, would likely be a failure."

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/weston-canada-offered-to-ai...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

#83

Post by throwaway66920 »

danharaj wrote: post #81
throwaway66920 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty naive to the Middle East, but the primary reason people are protesting is lack of economic opportunity (Iraq specifically), right? Is that someone’s fault? Can it actually be changed? I don’t want people to be killed for protesting, but I don’t know if I care if that protest is successful or not. I’m open to ideas why I should. It sounds like a bunch of people are protesting that their country and has few…

The United States rolled in and installed a brutal kleptocratic state after starving the country through sanctions in the decade previous. I guess that enterprising freedom loving American ideology didn't take. Oh well what can you do /s

I mean I’m sure American influence has been a clusterf*

But I guess what I’m trying to say is I can clearly explain why I want the Hong Kong protests to be successful. I don’t think I can do the same for Iraq

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by yohsii »

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #72
mlang23 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your people invaded Iraq just 15 years ago. No matter what you say, I believe you have a rather large obligation when it comes to Iraq. It is easy to forget history, right?

I am a polish immigrant living in Canada. "My people" didn't do anything to Iraq.

> It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people.

> I am Canadian.

> I am a polish immigrant living in Canada.

you're North American, Canadian then you're Polish. just pick one. in the first example, you were speaking as if you're an American and others are right to point out that America does have some responsibilities regarding Iraq given the recent history. Canada was involved too.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by alexandercrohde »

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

>> If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no one gives a shit about Yemen.

What's your point exactly?

Is it that human nature is broken, and that we should try to compensate for it [by trying to force ourselves to care more] ?

(Because I wonder how many atrocities there are in the world, and how that scales if every internet stranger needs to be angry about every atrocity or else...)

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by avocado4 »

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

These are the same Iraqi protesters that are burning Iranian flags. Clearly US has already put pressure on Iran backing current Baghdad government. I wonder if they'll also start pressuring Baghdad itself after this violence. Article says State department is expressing concerns but that's it.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by rjf72 »

mikorym wrote: post #74
euix wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In eastern political systems such as China and Russia, the prevailing sentiment among the masses is cynicism. In democratic systems it is hypocrisy. Pick your poison.

The one where you have the means of living together with self-determination.

Would self determination not be reflected by approval of one's government? Presumably one is going to have a sense of greater self determination and government satisfaction if they feel that their government is pursuing their interests, and vice versa otherwise.

Harvard carried out a study involving a survey polling people across 30 different nations on a variety of different topics. [1] This includes (among various other more detailed categories) peoples' awareness of various world leaders, their self determined attention rate to news involving various leaders, and their general rating of those leaders. It reveals quite a lot of really interesting and surprising results. For instance about 88% of Americans do not know who Modi is, 85% of Saudis do not know who Putin is, but coming out on top is Israel which sports a less than 5% awareness of Modi. A number of the results really reveal how much of a bubble we all live in.

But the reason it's relevant is because it gives some third party measurement of how people within various countries view their country's leaders. As with all big data like this, people can prove anything they want - so I'm going to avoid giving any more specific numbers other than the neutral ones from above. Okay one more fun one, Tanzania just friggin loves everybody!

[1] - https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/reflections-survey-...

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

#88

Post by ndarwincorn »

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #62
ephemeralism wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, you did invade them. Overthrew their government. but sure, other than that, next to no connection.

I am a Polish immigrant to Canada. Canada very reluctantly helped the US with their air raid campaign over Afghanistan, but as far as I am aware we didn't have much say in Iraq. And either way, I fail to see how that translates to having a closer relationship with their people. If anything, it distances them from our psyche. Obviously the invasion of Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I am not arguing that it was right…

Lol pretending like Harper wasn't at the front of the pack right next to Blair hopping on the coalition of the willing

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

freeflight wrote: post #82
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Polish immigrant to Canada. Canada very reluctantly helped the US with their air raid campaign over Afghanistan, but as far as I am aware we didn't have much say in Iraq. And either way, I fail to see how that translates to having a closer relationship with their people. If anything, it distances them from our psyche. Obviously the invasion of Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I am not arguing that it was right…

Canada is part of FiveEyes, thus aid was offered [0] and very likely taken. The lack of Canadian large scale military participation was due to practicality and not moral objections to the invasion [1]: "The weakness of the Canadian military had been a factor in its very limited role in the 1991 Gulf War. While the military had been asked about the feasibility of sending 4 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (4 CMBG) fr…

Again, I was not in the military in the early 90s.

I have no connection to Iraq personally.

I do not collectively harbor guilt and constantly stress about the horrible things that the country I choose to reside in has done in their past.

I have Hong Kong products in my house, and I interact with people who were born in Hong Kong all the time.

The same cannot be said for Iraqi products or people.

That is the point I am trying to make.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by avocado4 »

throwaway66920 wrote: post #60
emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

I’m pretty naive to the Middle East, but the primary reason people are protesting is lack of economic opportunity (Iraq specifically), right? Is that someone’s fault? Can it actually be changed? I don’t want people to be killed for protesting, but I don’t know if I care if that protest is successful or not. I’m open to ideas why I should. It sounds like a bunch of people are protesting that their country and has few…

Protesters are burning Iranian flags.
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