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After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by ousta »

davvolun wrote: post #71
wpasc wrote: post #58

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I don't know that I agree with your sentiment. Irreverent comedians who have achieved significant success and not really accountable to anyone are perfectly positioned to "tell it like it is" and may be the best individuals to do so. I'm glad our society embraces and can cultivate such individuals especially in this time of cancel culture.

You had me until "cancel culture" Exactly how many irreverent comedians who achieved significant success and are not really accountable to anyone, telling it like it is, have been cancelled by the cancel culture? Cosby, TJ Miller, Louis CK, Jeffrey Tambor, James Franco, ...? A good list of people who did morally reprehensible things of varying degrees, from illegal to merely opening their employers to civil liability…

James Gunn had 10k pedophile friendly tweets. but yeah it is a political hit job sure.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by joelx »

mattmanser wrote: post #64
redleggedfrog wrote: post #48

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God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

South Park is 100% right. We need to back them in their fight against a murderous totalitarian dictatorship holding millions of people in concentration camps.

We might like the cheap goods coming from China, but remember they come from people who are forced to work at 7 days a week 14 hours a day for nearly no pay.

Boycott the NBA and Blizzard and anyone else who won't start standing up for democracy.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by pen2l »

mattmanser wrote: post #64
redleggedfrog wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

I happen to think it's a net negative.

It had considerable part in setting back efforts to deal with climate change.

They did a mea culpa, but still, I can't tell you how annoyed I was in college with the amount of people who would challenge the idea of climate change just because they watched a South Park episode.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by DuskStar »

kentrado wrote: post #53
thrower123 wrote: post #32

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National Socialism was state capitalism. The CCP's control of their corporations and conglomerates is almost like they took Speer's notebooks and followed them to the letter. It's possible that Krupp and IG Farben and Messerschmitt were able to wag the dog a little more than their Chinese equivalents, but the resemblances are striking.

If the workers can't control the means of production, it is not socialism. Socialism calls for the democracy of the workplace. What China has done is replace the authoritarian bourgeois with an authoritarian government. Just because North Korea's name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't mean it is democratic. Naming stuff their opposite doesn't make it so, but I'll admit it has been pretty effective for…

I'm confused - are you trying to say that the Nazis weren't socialist and so can't be compared to China, or that China isn't socialist and so can't be compared to the Nazis?

Or just that we shouldn't use the word "socialism" in conjunction with either, despite that being the name of one of the groups in question?

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Post by digitalneal »

mattmanser wrote: post #64
redleggedfrog wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

Yup. What would Brian Boitano do?

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by DuskStar »

easymodex wrote: post #66
throw51319 wrote: post #49

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China pollutes more than the US. Also anybody can see that they are gearing up for a conflict to obtain hegemony. They are the ones posturing for inevitable conflict... just so they can gain more power over the world. Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh?

>Look at countries that fell into the US sphere of influence... Europe, South Korea. Things aren't to bad in those places huh? Here in Europe we are very thankful, if it wasn't for America we would still be a third world country living in tents. Thanks for democracy, freedom, art, philosophy, medicine and so on. I only wish Europe had any of the smart minds that you have, maybe we could come up with them. Oh wait...

I'm pretty sure that without the US, the 20th century would have seen Europe united under either Nazi Germany or the USSR...

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by briandear »

davvolun wrote: post #71
wpasc wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know that I agree with your sentiment. Irreverent comedians who have achieved significant success and not really accountable to anyone are perfectly positioned to "tell it like it is" and may be the best individuals to do so. I'm glad our society embraces and can cultivate such individuals especially in this time of cancel culture.

You had me until "cancel culture" Exactly how many irreverent comedians who achieved significant success and are not really accountable to anyone, telling it like it is, have been cancelled by the cancel culture? Cosby, TJ Miller, Louis CK, Jeffrey Tambor, James Franco, ...? A good list of people who did morally reprehensible things of varying degrees, from illegal to merely opening their employers to civil liability…

Roseanne Barr. Had her ABC show cancelled over a tweet, yet ABC-owned ESPN hired Keith Olbermann. Multiple examples of someone posting vile stuff on a blog or twitter and being unscathed (Joy Reid is one quick example,) but Roseanne gets canceled because she happens to support Trump.

Another example is Shane Gillis — cancelled because of something he said, not any specific action. Getting cancelled for sexually abusing people is one thing, getting cancelled because of “offensive” speech is the real problem. Roseanne and Gillis and Hart got cancelled for words. CK, Franken, Spacey — they were ousted for actions. That isn’t really part of cancel culture. Driving someone out of business because of vile and criminal actions is much different than firing a comedian because of a joke.

If I were a comedian that make vile jokes about Obama and his daughters, I’d be cancelled. If I made vile jokes about Trump and his kids, I’d get a Netflix special.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by rtpg »

mattmanser wrote: post #64
redleggedfrog wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God help us when South Park is helping us find our moral compass...

South Park has been advocating an ideology, including many morals, from day one of the shows. It may be a mixed message, it may be contradictory, but a lot of SP comedy hinges on pointing out the absurdities in our societies. Comedy has always been a place you'd look if you want to see someone speak truth to power, for millennia too, and South Park has always done that.

The message of South Park is to point at people with any conviction and say “ha! Look at these idiots with an ideology. The only correct way is to be edgy and make fun of everything”

It’s basically about nihilism.

Re: After 'South Park' Censorship Episode, China Deleted the Show from the Web

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Post by [deleted] »

bsanr2 wrote: post #57
jdjdjjsjs wrote: post #45

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Except the reality is the "west" has gotten much richer as well. Trade with China has been a huge win win. Quality of life in the "West" is significantly greater thanks to trade with China. The problem is that the "West" took the vast majority of the benefits it gained from that trade and concentrated it in the hands of a few hundred people. The destruction of labour unions and the taxation regime has crushed the low…

The problem with the TPP was that it stomped on consumer rights in a very China-like way. It was also very NAFTA-y in that it supported business and US natsec interests thoroughly while completely avoiding accountability to the average American (and to many of the citizens of other countries that it ostensibly would have helped). The challenge with China has been and will remain avoiding moral hazards when navigating…

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