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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by Abishek_Muthian » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

jonknee wrote: post #14

Microsoft is using Android! Lauren Goode got a great quote from Satya on this topic: > When I asked Satya Nadella whether Microsoft ever thought about reviving a true Windows mobile OS, he told me: "The operating system is no longer the most important layer for us...What is most important for us is the app model and the experience." https://twitter.com/LaurenGoode/status/1179421631506210822 Update: my apologies, this…

> The operating system is no longer the most important layer for us - Satya

That's obvious. But I would like Microsoft to release boot-loader unlock keys for those Windows Phone devices, so that android enthusiasts can build ROMs for some of those capable hardware.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:21 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

I'm a pretty dedicated mac user but that machine has me intrigued.

Still, I did laugh at some of the marketing: "Celestial Blue futuristic sense"

edit: But why did they have to include Alexa. Dammit.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by GordonS » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

I've been scratching my head trying to think how this could be used; I guess as a folding monitor makes some sense - but I wonder how big that market would be?

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by georgeecollins » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

I don't understand how anyone could think dual screen is a gimmick that had a DS. There were a lot of games that put those two screens to good use. I am serious.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by adventured » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:25 PM UTC

mcny wrote: post #41

tyingq wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe a veiled hint at doing something like the Amazon Fire Phone, only more thoughtfully?

Personally, the Fire phone's biggest folly was price, not lack of Google Play. I know I am being irrational but my perspective is very different for a phone introduced at $500+ vs one at sub $200. If they could find a way to eat the losses and sell it at sub $200, a lot of people would buy the phone. That and nobody asked for the weird 3D view thing or whatever it was called.

No question price was the single biggest mistake in the Fire Phone. It was one of the notable times Amazon betrayed how they usually go after product segments, with relatively low prices and relatively high quality. Going after a very high volume, low price phone at good quality, is exactly what they should have done. Amazon saw the money machine that Apple had and thought they could slice off part of it (just $4-$6b in income would have been huge for Amazon back then); at that time AWS was not yet spitting off a large amount of operating income, so they were still thrashing around for high margin homerun that would give them some operating breathing room (same reason they took shots at eBay in auctions and Google in search). Instead of treating the Fire Phone like the rest of their hardware efforts, they reached for margin.

I'm slightly surprised they haven't taken another shot at a high volume, low price Fire phone. For further device distribution purposes (to layer services on). Why bother to continue with tablets and not do anything in phones. I've been assuming it's because of the stink of that failure, they're biding their time.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by pcurve » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

kbumsik wrote: post #29

It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

"After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3"

I think Microsoft does this a lot. They persist and usually succeeds. Most of the time.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by llampx » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:28 PM UTC

JadeNB wrote: post #50

kbumsik wrote: post #29

It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning For example, perfect butterfly keyboards.

The amount of bellyaching about the MacBook keyboard is the exception that proves the rule.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by klohto » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:29 PM UTC

kbumsik wrote: post #29

It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning

Oh man, try to remember how the first iPhone was. It was the most useless thing in the world. It didn’t have app store!

The lesson is to iterate, iterate and iterate

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by Abishek_Muthian » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:29 PM UTC

I'm liking the direction laptop makers are taking by differentiating at hardware level especially with displays, Asus has multiple dual display laptops and now Microsoft's surface lineup. With WindowsX partnership, this is going to kick off a slew of multi-display computing devices.

But as a non-windows user, I'm wondering what these hardware specific Windows changes are going to do to the Linux ecosystem. I'm sure, display output to these multiple displays would likely work OOB; but the availability of an app ecosystem which can make use of these dual displays offering unique productivity advantages would be questionable.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by ken » Wed, Oct 02, 2019, 5:29 PM UTC

asenna wrote: post #72

For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

> Although I have no hope from Apple, I'm still waiting to see what the next MBP iteration would be.

You can use an iPad as a second screen for a MacBook. It still gives you a traditional keyboard and single screen when you don’t need that, and you can use just the second screen as a computing device on its own. I haven’t used this setup but I assume Apple would say this is the best of both worlds already. Is there something that you think is missing from their solution?