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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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>The white men who have been degraded and disowned of their culture, identity, and lands as throngs of foreign legions of "immigrants" are teated better than they, the heirs of the men that created the civilized world we all benefit from while most immigrants and freeloading types revile and fully disrespect what they have yet never earned

As a white man, you lost me completely there. Immigrants are absolutely not treated better than I am anywhere in North America, or in Europe where I've been to date but I'll concede in places where white people are a minority that might not always be true. I haven't given up anything in my life for "foreigners" and I live a very privileged life.

As a white man born into this world, you haven't earned anything any other person just born into this world doesn't have. Just because some white people have accomplished something doesn't give you claim or credit for that. In fact, you are reviling (immigration, foreigners) the very thing that gave rise to the west as it is now.

The history of the white man is filled with taking ideas and solutions from other cultures and races they encounter and building on them, essentially the same thing you're accusing China of doing unfairly.

The concept that the west culture and existence is solely due to "white people" is false and largely has been false from the start. Slavery, abuse, theft and centuries of using and discarding anything and anyone we can to get ahead is a significant part of our history (that includes abusing/slavery of other white men, its not solely a race issue, its a power/money issue).

Immigrants, especially second and third generation immigrants often have stronger ties to the country the immigrated to and are more willing to fight for it and die for it as numerous studies ahve shown.

The concept that immigrants are freeloaders is false, and easily disproved by any reading of the actual historical development of the western world. The US is a good example, it's made up almost completely of immigrants and their descendants and much of its early success is due to one group of immigrants abusing and using others (Black, Chinese and Irish slave labor/indenturehood among numerous other examples).

The most likely people to fight for the west and defend its existence are those people you're putting down in your wildly inaccurate and fear-mongering post.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think Pascal's Wager can be applied to that. If Musk is wrong, being extra careful with AI will just mean slightly slower development. If he's right and we don't take it seriously, humanity is wiped out. Why take the chance?

If you go outside, you might get struck by a car. Why take the chance? Awareness of a risk isn't very helpful if it doesn't come with an understanding of the odds and the costs and benefits involved.

Pascal's Wager is something you either make or don't make based on your own understanding of the odds of each outcome and the costs of each outcome.

Clearly you have a different understanding than Elon.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think Pascal's Wager can be applied to that. If Musk is wrong, being extra careful with AI will just mean slightly slower development. If he's right and we don't take it seriously, humanity is wiped out. Why take the chance?

If you go outside, you might get struck by a car. Why take the chance? Awareness of a risk isn't very helpful if it doesn't come with an understanding of the odds and the costs and benefits involved.

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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

> Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products.

Already debunked in this thread.

> Even their university culture practically encourages cheating

It is not like we'd not have this in western culture. They use the same metres we do: titles and names of educational institutions attended. As with every metric. those who understand it exploit it to cheat those who apply it.

> An economic model where American/European/Japanese/Korean tech is stolen and then friends of politicians are gifted CEO positions of companies that clone that stolen tech...not sustainable at all.

With a billion people behind it, it is actually pretty easy - you just outlive competitors while you pay for the losses out of pocket. And that is what western companies have been championing: If compliance says "we accept the risk", we take the risk.

> When robotic manufacturing eventually becomes cheaper and faster than manufacturing in China, meaning they'll no longer have IP to steal, they are in huge trouble.

So are we. Who is going to be able to afford the products if we all are replaced by robots in the workplace?

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

> ... technical interviews ...

Technical interviews are manufactured tests that can be easily gamed. The idea that any valuable insight can be drawn from them is naïve at best. Further, the post was specifically about innovation -- given this constraint, technical interviews are notoriously bad at separating the wheat from the chaff (e.g. product questions are non-existent in technical interviews).

"Fundamentals" can mean different things to different people, but let's not pretend technical interviews are a reliable signal.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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How does one know that a particular attack is "state-sponsored" or originates from a particular country? Exactly what does it mean to be "state-sponsored"? And who provides this analysis?

Same people who attribute attacks to North Korea and the Russian federation, etc.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would still pick a good leader who isn't necessarily a technical expert over Elon Musk's "AI will become self aware and take over the world" schtick.

I would think Pascal's Wager can be applied to that. If Musk is wrong, being extra careful with AI will just mean slightly slower development. If he's right and we don't take it seriously, humanity is wiped out. Why take the chance?

Pascal's Wager is considered a joke for good reason. It's not any less a terrible argument here than in philosophy.

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Valuable aviation intel to use for their young, but growing, airline industry.

Makes me wonder if it'd be simpler to gain this stuff the old-fashioned spy way: bribe or blackmail someone working in one of those supplier companies. If Pierre in Toulouse is desperate to hide his affair with the Chinese girl he met a week ago in the bar...

Or the other way: just buy it outright. Either buy from the supplier companies, or buy existing stuff used and reverse-engineer it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

> ... technical interviews ... Technical interviews are manufactured tests that can be easily gamed. The idea that any valuable insight can be drawn from them is naïve at best. Further, the post was specifically about innovation -- given this constraint, technical interviews are notoriously bad at separating the wheat from the chaff (e.g. product questions are non-existent in technical interviews). "Fundamentals" can…

You don't know anything about the parent's process so your assumptions are pretty wild

The parent's anecdotal experience is still a valuable datapoint in the face of two baseless stereotypes:

1. Chinese educated people lack fundamentals and are ill equipped for innovation

2. Technical interviews are at best a naive mechanism for evaluating candidates

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