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Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by tanr54ok »

Zancarius wrote: post #78
jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Slightly related to this, the Lock Picking Lawyer on Youtube has number of videos where he tries a Ramset gun [1] against different padlocks. For example: https://youtu.be/Wimo09WV-rY This was interesting as it was an attack that certainly would not have crossed my mind. Would be interesting to see how other types of locks would do against this kind of tool. [1] https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-MasterShot-0-22-Cali…

His magnetic attack[1] on a common commercial lock that's no longer in use was entertaining too. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCay5ek_cW0

What? No longer in use? Those things are still widely in use in many mid century and older education and healthcare buildings around NYC.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by swish_bob »

benj111 wrote: post #77
beatgammit wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a very low crime area, yet even in my sleepy neighborhood (semi rural), we had a break-in a couple years before buying our house. It turned out to be a couple of teenagers that wanted some quick cash (probably for drugs). That was the only break-in for years, and there hasn't been one for the several years I've lived in my house, so you never know when someone will try to steal something. That being said, a…

It still isnt clear to me that at this level that locking your door is a win. If they break in you still have to pay to repair the damage and the things they've taken. I'm fairly certain, if someone broke into my house, the biggest bill would be repairs, not replacements.

Your household insurance might well refuse to pay out if there isn't evidence of forced entry. That's a fairly sizeable variation in the cost of being broken into ...

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by djmips »

Zancarius wrote: post #78
jpalomaki wrote: post #4

Slightly related to this, the Lock Picking Lawyer on Youtube has number of videos where he tries a Ramset gun [1] against different padlocks. For example: https://youtu.be/Wimo09WV-rY This was interesting as it was an attack that certainly would not have crossed my mind. Would be interesting to see how other types of locks would do against this kind of tool. [1] https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-MasterShot-0-22-Cali…

His magnetic attack[1] on a common commercial lock that's no longer in use was entertaining too. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCay5ek_cW0

Yes they are still around!

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by tanr54ok »

ridaj wrote: post #74
war1025 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I (and I assumed everyone with a dead bolt) only ever lock the dead bolt. What's the point of locking the door handle if there is a dead bolt?

When someone is trying to break into a house, they might have to do it fast, so that they don't get noticed. If they need to pick two locks instead of one, it's costing them twice the time, so by locking the handle in addition to the deadbolt, you're increasing your security by making your door a bit more of a pain for someone to break into.

Who picks a lock to break in? Common thieves have no need to pick locks.. totally dumb for a couple reasons.

Contrary to popular nerd belief... door locks in the US are not that easy to pick. Many have anti pick features like reverse sidebars that while not impenetrable increase time or skill required. While the lockpickinglawyer has videos, note that he is extremely skilled with tons of practice, it still can take more time than breaking, and those aren’t field conditions. Just break the door in... stealing might as well use forcible entry.

Where picking is useful is covert spying, and if that is your threat model the addition of the second or third lock doesn’t really mean much.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by tanr54ok »

Chirael wrote: post #36
nullc wrote: post #23

Security is usually a lemon market. The buyer can't really tell if its secure or not, depressing what people are willing to pay, which makes it bad business to invest in making a secure product. It's rather difficult to find electronic locks, even for safes, that aren't obviously less secure than traditional options. Which is pretty sad considering that an electronic lock could be substantially more secure if it was…

With the Internet and YouTube I don’t think it’s as much of a lemon market as it once was. The information is out there, pretty accessible actually. For example it’s not hard to find that Master and Kwikset might not be the highest security compared to other options. The problem isn’t that the information is hard to find, it’s just that most people aren’t willing to spend more for higher security (could be a few hund…

Just because information is out there and accessible doesn’t mean it has much mainstream penetration. Locks are a very niche hobby. Most of my friends and family don’t know shit about locks any more than 30 years ago even though the technology is clearly documented and explained on YouTube.

YouTube has made pretty much everything widely accessible. Doesn’t necessarily change the market.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by hokobomo »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #50
shartshooter wrote: post #41

Easier way to open a smart door lock in 3 seconds...use a hooligan tool[1]. For $150 USD a SWAT team(or someone who practices for a few hours) can be in your room in no time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halligan_bar

Yes. The truth is most (and I mean nearly all) residential door frames snap like a match stick with a hooligan tool. In a previous life I kicked in doors for a living. I don’t give a fuck how cool your dead bolt is. I could be in your face before you were out of bed. If you want to keep out lazy thieves any lock will do. If you’re preventing against a dynamic entry you need trip wires, man traps, metal door frames, a…

> The truth is most (and I mean nearly all) residential door frames in Murica snap like a match stick

FTFY

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by tristanperry »

alexvoda wrote: post #85

"How do you know where to drill it? The lock has the manufacturers logo on the front face – drill the side of the lock in line with the top of the logo. How helpful!" In that case easy, move the logo elsewhere.

Security by obfuscation, anyone?

He's being flippant. If the logo wasn't there, it would just be a case of measuring N cm to know where to drill.

Re: Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds

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Post by dvcrn »

Where I live, the smart locks I saw are mounted in from the inside and go over the existing screw bolt thing that unlocks the door. From outside you would have no idea that it's a smart lock. But yeah, they don't have something outside you could touch an NFC tag on to unlock
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