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Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by fharper »

asciident wrote: post #70
fharper wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is some background on some of the things that happened while he was CEO: https://twitter.com/fharper/status/1111694552262459393

Maybe I didn't read too far into the thread, but it sounds like they laid off a guy, provided some severance, and there weren't many managers that sent him a goodbye note? I don't see the connection here... what was the bad thing they did?

Yep, no goodbye note was really the highlight of everything that happened at npm in the last couple of months.

This article about union busting https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/technology/tech-companies...

and this one about working conditions at npm https://www.businessinsider.com/npm-employees-open-letter-20...

or The Register who covered mostly everything that happened since the first layoff mentioned in my Twitter thread https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/22/npm_fired_staff_uni...

Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by fharper »

gkoberger wrote: post #77
asciident wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I didn't read too far into the thread, but it sounds like they laid off a guy, provided some severance, and there weren't many managers that sent him a goodbye note? I don't see the connection here... what was the bad thing they did?

(The person you're replying to+ who submitted this article _is_ the person they laid off)

*one of the person who was laid off.

Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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[deleted] wrote: post #80
skissane wrote: post #75

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His complaint seems to be, not that he was laid off, but that the way it was communicated to him was insensitive. That's a very common thing, laying people off in an insensitive manner. Lot's of companies (even big massive successful companies) do that all the time. That doesn't make it right, but, whatever the reasons their board had for letting go of their CEO, laying people off in an insensitive manner is unlikely…

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Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

#84

Post by fhbdukfrh »

asciident wrote: post #70
fharper wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is some background on some of the things that happened while he was CEO: https://twitter.com/fharper/status/1111694552262459393

Maybe I didn't read too far into the thread, but it sounds like they laid off a guy, provided some severance, and there weren't many managers that sent him a goodbye note? I don't see the connection here... what was the bad thing they did?

Try reading that Twitter thread and count the number of times he mentions. "I" or "me" in the same sentence about how it's all about other npm employees and the greater community.

This is a textbook example of if (when!) you get let go you should strongly consider an internet moratorium.

Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by deergomoo »

takeda wrote: post #61
president wrote: post #40

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As someone who has no insight into the Node/NPM/JS world, how is this different from Python's PyPi, which I would think suffers the same issue?

I think the problem is that NodeJS has a weird culture where a separate package is created for every little thing, then tons of other packages start depending on it. I don't live in NodeJS world but even I heard about package Left-Pad, that all it does is padding string from the left side. The author decided to pull it out from the repo rendering tons of other packages nonoperational[1]. [1] https://www.theregister.c…

It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that this is ultimately due to how little the JS standard library actually does.

Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by fharper »

fhbdukfrh wrote: post #84
asciident wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I didn't read too far into the thread, but it sounds like they laid off a guy, provided some severance, and there weren't many managers that sent him a goodbye note? I don't see the connection here... what was the bad thing they did?

Try reading that Twitter thread and count the number of times he mentions. "I" or "me" in the same sentence about how it's all about other npm employees and the greater community. This is a textbook example of if (when!) you get let go you should strongly consider an internet moratorium.

It wasn't just about other employees. I lost my job. I got fired in a shitty way. I lost my income source. I lost a job I love. I lost faith in a company I cared about. I was afraid for the future of the ecosystem and my friends still there (most of them resigned since). It was an emotional moment for me and others. Things can be about others AND you, it's not a zero sum game.

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Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by cj »

fharper wrote: post #79
cj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what conclusions one can draw about the broader NPM culture by reading a single-sided Twitter thread from a disgruntled former employee tweeting about how he lost his job. I only made it through the first ~10 tweets before clicking out, so maybe there's something I'm missing further in the thread. But to me, it just sounds like what you'd expect from someone being laid off. It's a little weird that he di…

If you read a little more, you would have seen that it was a case of union busting (which is illegal) that was taken by NLRB. It is just part of what happened.

I don't see anything having to do with union busting, but I'm probably overlooking something.

Re: NPM CEO Bryan Bogensberger Resigned

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Post by fharper »

fharper wrote: post #79
cj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what conclusions one can draw about the broader NPM culture by reading a single-sided Twitter thread from a disgruntled former employee tweeting about how he lost his job. I only made it through the first ~10 tweets before clicking out, so maybe there's something I'm missing further in the thread. But to me, it just sounds like what you'd expect from someone being laid off. It's a little weird that he di…

If you read a little more, you would have seen that it was a case of union busting (which is illegal) that was taken by NLRB. It is just part of what happened.

See

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/technology/tech-companies...

and

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/02/npm_abandons_settle...

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