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When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by leetcrew »

rahoulb wrote: post #19
dr_dshiv wrote: post #13

There are $40 smart watches for kids that have a sim card and no location tracking. Perfect. They Dick Tracey when they want. We can let them play on the streets of Amsterdam and just call when it is time to come home.

My wife (who is a primary school teacher) was saying that a kid in her school was taking photos with her watch. She didn't even know watches could do that and it means they are going to have to rewrite school policies (currently phones are banned in school because of safeguarding/photos without consent)

do they allow laptops and tablets in school? seems like a "no camera" policy would require the school to provide any electronic devices itself. or I guess they could just not have computers at all; it worked back in the day.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by Porthos9K »

Phenix88be wrote: post #37

Anyone else think this is fake ? I mean, 11 years old can have that level of thinking ? Or maybe I m missing something ?

I know it's probably satire, or outright bullshit, but I want to believe that there are kids this smart walking the Earth.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by dahart »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #71
reportgunner wrote: post #35

Kid says this about phones: 1. They’re infantilizing, a set of digital apron strings meant to attach you to your mother. (He was onto something there.) 2. They compromise a boy’s resourcefulness because kids come to rely on the GPS instead of learning Scout skills. 3. They make people trivial. That's one smart kid.

The boy didn't say any of these things. The author interpreted them from their son's actions, like using printed maps to get around, and verbally mocking the author with shouts of "texty! emoji!" when he sees her using her phone.

Not to distract from the good point made above that the kid is smart by arguing about the syntax of words of the article, but what makes you certain he didn’t actually put words what his mother implied he said?

The article is not explicit on this point, it does not claim she interpreted them, the article says: “As I learned on his birthday, my son had decided three things about smartphones.“ That wording does imply they may have had a conversation, on his birthday, which is now being summarized. That implication is reinforced with “(He was onto something there)” because it implies he stated an objection to being monitored.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by cerberusss »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #13

There are $40 smart watches for kids that have a sim card and no location tracking. Perfect. They Dick Tracey when they want. We can let them play on the streets of Amsterdam and just call when it is time to come home.

Sounds pretty cheap. What brand is it?

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by bluGill »

teekert wrote: post #22
endymi0n wrote: post #15

For my parents, having their own car was freedom, as their parents didn‘t have them when they were young. For me, the internet is the world I discovered for myself, first in the age of BBSes and an early WWW before any of FAANG were even born. For kids, how better to make a difference than having none of the consumer devices that everyone including their parents carries around. Kids need to make a difference, as we a…

Seems like most kids today (10-20?) are not making that difference, instead the are "hooked" (I'm saying hooked like a real cynical old parent) into social apps like we never were, "manipulated" on unprecedented scale. If your theory holds, their children might turn against that.

> Seems like most kids today (10-20?) are not making that difference, instead

You realize that every generation has said that about the previous one? The details of what they are complaining about change slightly, but the attitude is universal to all generations.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by caseysoftware »

Klinky wrote: post #74
m-i-l wrote: post #52

I read a report recently on predictions for Generation Alpha, i.e. the generation after Generation Z (in turn the generation after the Millennial Generation) very roughly born after 2010. One of the predictions was that they would be both "digital masters" but also "the new old fashioneds" that would be looking to break away from technology more, perhaps as a result of feeling neglected by parents constantly distract…

No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

Think of mixing colors.

If you mix 50/50 red & blue, obviously that's purple.

When it's 80/20 red & blue, that looks more red than blue but looks purple but not the same as above.

When it's 20/80 red & blue, that looks more blue than red but looks purple but not the same as above.

It's a classification using a gradient, not an integer so yes, the boundaries are hard to tell but are still there.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by stuaxo »

Klinky wrote: post #74
m-i-l wrote: post #52

I read a report recently on predictions for Generation Alpha, i.e. the generation after Generation Z (in turn the generation after the Millennial Generation) very roughly born after 2010. One of the predictions was that they would be both "digital masters" but also "the new old fashioneds" that would be looking to break away from technology more, perhaps as a result of feeling neglected by parents constantly distract…

No one can really even define what a Millennial is, or who falls in to Generation Y/Z. Even "who is a Boomer?", and the tropes of what a Boomer is, fail when looking at my anecdotal data. Also often activist children are heavily influenced by their activist parents. Generational classification and "analysis" is almost as bad as stereotypes.

Millennial is anyone 35 or younger.

Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by [deleted] »

m-i-l wrote: post #52

I read a report recently on predictions for Generation Alpha, i.e. the generation after Generation Z (in turn the generation after the Millennial Generation) very roughly born after 2010. One of the predictions was that they would be both "digital masters" but also "the new old fashioneds" that would be looking to break away from technology more, perhaps as a result of feeling neglected by parents constantly distract…

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Re: When Your 11-Year-Old Says No to a Smartphone

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Post by jvvw »

m-i-l wrote: post #52

I read a report recently on predictions for Generation Alpha, i.e. the generation after Generation Z (in turn the generation after the Millennial Generation) very roughly born after 2010. One of the predictions was that they would be both "digital masters" but also "the new old fashioneds" that would be looking to break away from technology more, perhaps as a result of feeling neglected by parents constantly distract…

Hmm, curious as to whether there is any real evidence for this or whether its wishful thinking - not seen any among my kids (2010 and 2013) and their friends. My elder son did decide to give up screens for a month after reading an article about the idea, but that's the nearest I've seen and he is definitely back on them now, and of his friends, he's the only one apparently whose parents don't let him play Fortnite...
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